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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg What a curious day

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as we return to the power cast with gene

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Steinberg and Chris O'Brien so curious

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in fact that on a Tuesday morning

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October 9th someone logged into our web

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server that person somehow got our login

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name and password and then they made a

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change to the server so it wouldn't run

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any sites so we were down for several

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hours curious indeed you know hackers in

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black yeah I wonder about that in this

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case I guess it isn't hard to figure out

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one's username or one's password

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although both have since been changed

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but I'll be technical about for those

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who care okay the very simple technical

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answer and I realize some of the

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listeners to the power cast also here

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are others show the tech night out live

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so this is how we explain it here's how

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it works there is a way of running

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websites called Apache it's an

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application just like you have an

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application for your word processor like

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Microsoft Word or apples pages you have

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something called Apache which runs a web

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server that feeds websites around the

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world so if somebody did is they

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installed another copy of Apache and the

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other copy of course didn't feed our

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sites so our sites went offline ain't

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that curious that's the kind of thing

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that isn't obvious they didn't hack our

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files or anything like that all they did

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was this little trick so it required

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somebody who had the technical

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capabilities of not just getting into

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someone's server but running the

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commands that enable this to happen

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jeered do you know what the word Apache

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means where it comes from

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yes it's an Indian word it's a Zuni word

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and when the Danai

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arrived in the southwest Apache is

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Apache is the Zuni word for very bad

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people I bet you didn't know that so

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it's now you know the rest of the story

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like Paul Harvey once said no I did not

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know that but it's nice to have that

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information because you know Apache is

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the world's most popular web server

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software okay so what that means is more

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sites are run with Apache then just

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about any other web server application

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even Microsoft there are more Apache

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sites around the world than Microsoft

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server sites isn't that interesting

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question though - is free yeah this is

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good well I like open-source that's

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that's always good that's where it is

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there's an Apache foundation it's

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open-source developers around the world

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contribute it to make a better web

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because the Internet's supposed to be

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open yeah this is true so that's what

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happened after a few hours they figured

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out what went wrong and the people who

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run our websites found the solution

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which was basically to go back to the

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other version of Apache and now they're

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investigating to see who act into the

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server

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yeah that was my next question as how

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about the back side of this we tracked

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him down IP addresses and that sort of

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thing yeah we found someone who logged

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in from Austin Texas now Austin Texas is

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a very highly affluent area of Texas a

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lot of tech savvy people live there a

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lot of companies such as Dell and of

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course Apple have offices in Austin

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Texas helped put off sohow put off did

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I can't even know how put off and put

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off his help put off is a world-class

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physicist that helped create and start

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the Stanford Research Institute SR I

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back in the early 70s where some of the

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first remote viewing experiments and

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protocols were we're done and devised

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and he has since gone on to become quite

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a well-known physicist he's working on

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dark dark man

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and energy dark energy that sort of

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things he's been involved as a as a

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consultant for the National Institute of

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Discovery Sciences back in the 90s along

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with Jacque fillet and John Alexander

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and he's part of a small cadre of very

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progressive open-minded physicists that

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are very interested in the paranormal

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and UFOs and that sort of thing how put

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off did not put us off yeah that would

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be off-putting I I wasn't suggesting

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that help but off was but right now the

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house out here you're quite a neat guy

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and actually came when I brought the

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show that'd be good

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that'd be good he'd be a great guest I

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don't think I've ever heard him do a

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show so that would be a real coup for us

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I make a note of that well you know the

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guests we're gonna have on a few moments

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I don't think has been on many shows of

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this type ok guests we have this is

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getting the this is getting to be a

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regular occurrence around here well our

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last anonymous guest was someone who had

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worked at the skinwalker ranch in

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security and revealed some kind of

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possible NSA connection yeah let's hope

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it wasn't the no no such agency as

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opposed to maybe the Nevada security

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Association or something I just wonder

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maybe running shows like that cause

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someone to be unduly interested in the

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power cast you know it's very

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interesting here years ago my friends

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and I used to have this kind of

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speculation it started with actually Jim

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Mosely we're at saucer News where I

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actually worked in the 1960s as a

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full-time employee that was my first

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full-time job ladies and gentleman and

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Jim and I would laugh about which of our

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subscribers was really the CIA guy or

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gal okay mm-hmm we'd always speculate

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that someone from the government

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subscribed I had a magazine that I

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published with my first wife Geneva

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called caveat emptor of course that

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means let the buyer beware and we

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wondered who was a CIA guy it was the

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government agent the disinformation

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agent so today of course we have the

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power

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newsletter that goes out every week and

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we wonder again is someone lurking in

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our forums who works with the government

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the curious about crazy people like us

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and they wonder what we're about I'm

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really quite normal and sane for a crazy

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person though I kind of beg to differ

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with you here you're not just

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certifiable and you're a dinosaur

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well I resemble both remarks but don't

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you agree with me here there's a

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distinct possibility well I would be

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actually I'd be a little insulted if we

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didn't have one of those type of lurkers

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lurking about that that would mean that

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we're not doing our job right we have to

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attract the lurkers and we do have

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lurkers like in the last few weeks we've

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had what they call trolls at the end of

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the bridge crowd these are people who

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come in there and they try to stir

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trouble in forums you see them all the

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time they come up there they're

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anonymous and because they are anonymous

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they can say or do anything they want

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and nobody is going to have a way to

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stop them there's no accountability

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except for one thing on a forum in our

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forums we have the ability to ban a

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member and what that means is if they

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behave badly if they're there to troll

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messes up what we do is we banned them

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we prevent them from participating in

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the things that we do so they'll either

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come back or they'll go elsewhere but we

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can also ban by the IP number mmm which

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is that unique number that is created or

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used when you connect to the internet we

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see that number we're not the CIA but we

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see that number and we can ban that

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number there you go anyway let's talk

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about our guest today who is another one

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of those anonymous persons and he's the

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kind of person who is more of the

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skeptical bent and let me tell you the

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story here when we had Mike Berra on the

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power cast several weeks ago talking

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about Mars mysteries lunar mysteries

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with Richard Hoagland we discovered a

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gentleman who joined our forums and he

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uses the name expat but he's someone who

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has

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substantial credentials he's worked for

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the BBC

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he certainly has been a science producer

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he has interviewed the experts from NASA

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and the astronauts and he chooses he'll

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explain why he chooses to use a name

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expat why he chooses to use the name

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expat and why I suppose he doesn't want

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to be subject to harassment by certain

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people who are basically proponents of

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these lunar and Martian mysteries and

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Chris we have a gentleman named expat

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and he is someone who has certainly had

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a connection with covering the space

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program but for various reasons that

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he'll explain to you ladies and

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gentlemen he has decided he'd rather not

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mention his real name though I kind of

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suspect if people look hard enough

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they'll figure it out mister expat

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should I call you ax or Pat oh very

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funny

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yeah just stick with expat please

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greetings greetings to you Christopher

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this is gonna be interesting

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okay mister expat within the limits of

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what you can tell us about your self in

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your background how did you become

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knowledgeable about our space program I

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was working as a producer for BBC

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television in

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London England I had a 15 year career

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with them working for what they called

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the scientist and features Department

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which was a department that did that did

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well for example the English equivalent

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of the PBS Nova series over there it's

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called horizon in fact Nova was very

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directly copied from the horizon format

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this strange though mr. X pad how we do

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that in America so much that we copy

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British TV yeah sometimes successfully

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well yes like life on Mars was a very

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unsuccessful copying venture that's just

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to be parenthetical about it okay I

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began to specialize in spaceflight and I

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made a documentary for the Nova horizon

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series about life in zero-g and then I

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became seconded to the live coverage of

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the later Apollo space flights a

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subsequent of that I made four major

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documentaries about Space Flight not

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only the American programs but the

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Soviet programs too I traveled to Moscow

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twice to create program content about

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the Soviet programs went to the visnja

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gora Duck where they trained the

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cosmonauts and that's how I became an

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expert all right there now

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what attracted you with that background

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to the writings and the things that

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people like a mic Berra and a Richard

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Hoagland say about possible lunar

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mysteries why if you don't even agree

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with what they have to say even pay

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attention I came across Richard Hoagland

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although actually you know we must have

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been in the same room together at some

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point because we were both covering

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space in the same in the same period in

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the 70s okay so it's also true that

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Richard Hoagland had a real career as

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someone who covered the space program at

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once

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right yes he he was indeed a consultant

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to CBS News for the Apollo program said

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that it is a rather ironic that he and I

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were close analogs he he for CBS News me

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for BBC television the difference is

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that I was actually a producer whereas

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he was only a junior home consultant

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black pre tells a junior consultant oh

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he was early 24 at the time of Apollo 11

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in fact it's pretty amazing that he ever

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got that game and and he was one of four

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people credited as consultant to the

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program and I've heard him described as

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a fact checker that may be a little bit

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harsh he certainly did have some

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knowledge of space committee he had been

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a lecturer at the Gingras Science Center

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in Maryland so that's presumably how he

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got the gig but I didn't really come

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across him until very much later until

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long after my career had finished

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hearing him on the famous overnight

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radio show coast-to-coast am without

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bail and I exist my mind

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absolutely bottled that somebody who was

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giving out such wrong information could

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have could be given a spot on important

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radio show like that I couldn't believe

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it

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think Richard Hoagland if we're gonna

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take this straight fell off the rails

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now he's gonna come after me Chris

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I'm insulating you my friend he's not

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gonna come after you Chris he's gonna

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come after me I'm a target for everyone

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he's gonna have plenty of opportunity by

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the end of this show

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oh we're gonna give him all lots of

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opportunities to come after us but it's

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our cups well I think it was the face on

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Mars the circled face on Mars which was

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a shot taken by the Viking one orbiter

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in 1976 just prior to the time of the

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actual landing of marking one

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which as you probably know is I think is

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a Mesa in a place called site dunya

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which looked a little bit like a face

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but you have to remember that the

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resolution of that original picture was

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like 700 meters per pixel since then

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we've had oh four five six spacecraft

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taking better and better and better

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resolution pictures until now we had

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down to about 1.5 meters per pixel okay

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so we're talking about something here

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it's very very blurry in the scheme of

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things yeah the original face one last

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picture was was just an entertainment it

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doesn't look anything like that really

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but I think Richard Hoagland somehow

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thought that this was something that he

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should promote and it was good for his

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career

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and indeed yen you're not writing a book

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about it the operative words there are

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good for his career I think that's

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really important for people to

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understand that are a number of visuals

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in the field that Lucy associate with

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the field of ufology let's say and kind

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of alternative space and the subject of

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alternative space facts that really do

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need to come up every six months with

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some new twist on their their particular

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reality view so that in constantly

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pumped that career and always be highly

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visible and generally in cash he's been

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a bit silent lately he has not

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contributed to his Facebook presence

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mapping although I believe he did take

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part in the conscious life expert and

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those Los Angeles this past weekend well

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I haven't followed his sights I'm not

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really sure oh he hasn't updated his

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his enterprise mission website since May

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and prior to that he he didn't update it

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for at least nine months he's been

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he's been very unfortunate regard so you

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can close tabs on what he does oh yeah

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yeah because I do write a blog I'm

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semi-retired so I penny of time to mess

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around with with the internet I write a

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blog called the emoluments of Mars and I

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started it because Mike Berra stopped

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accepting comments from me and James

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Oberg of the original dark mission blog

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this was a blog which was supposed to be

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an open discussion about the book dark

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mission and started back in 2007 and it

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turned out that they weren't interested

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in critical comments at all they just

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to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else

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here that George Noory with Jean and

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Chris in the power cast we have expat he

588
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was once a BBC producer he's covered and

589
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is knowledgeable about the space program

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early on he encountered a young

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consultant by the name of Richard

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Hoagland who later of course gained fame

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for promoting the face on Mars or the

594
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alleged face on Mars and also he and

595
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James Oberg were busy correcting what

596
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they perceive as errors from Mike Berra

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now I just want to ask you

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parenthetically you mr. expat are

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anonymous for not revealing your name

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but don't you think that they already

601
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know who you are no I don't think they

602
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do know ok fair enough I'm not in any

603
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way famous I have written books but not

604
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about space subjects they wouldn't have

605
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they wouldn't have come across my books

606
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at all ok ok fair enough you know just

607
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trying to see to understand ok so they

608
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blocked you or these Mike Berra blocked

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you from posting critical comments on

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their website on the on the original

611
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dark mission blog yes

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now I'm blocking you they just block all

613
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comments or are you particularly

614
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excluded no it was both me and James

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Lobo you know I'm sure you know who

616
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James Oberg is right right yep oh yeah

617
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one of the great experts on space

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probably the most knowledgeable American

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on the Soviet space program author of I

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think six books about the history of

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space flight very a very knowledgeable

622
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man indeed very much so I've been

623
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dealing with Jim for many years on a

624
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small little private bulletin board that

625
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he somehow found out about and I'll tell

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you the guy is kind of freaky if

627
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anything is mentioned on that little

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board which is shared by maybe 20 people

629
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within an hour he has posted some sort

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of rebuttal or response it's it's

631
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actually kind of spooky well I think

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James is a bit like these I think

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they're also

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he retired so has quite a bit of time to

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to play these games he does contribute

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quite often to the what's it called

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above top secret blog

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he's quite unclear smokes like blazing

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sword like dessert

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sorry he's very critical indeed of the

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material in dark mission because there's

642
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so much of it is simply not true

643
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okay we're looking at the errors that

644
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you feel that Mike bear has made you

645
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heard his appearance on the power cast I

646
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presume yep I did yes okay so let's just

647
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start at the top at what point did he

648
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start moving in areas that you felt were

649
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very misleading Marsha I assume that's

650
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typical of what he says everywhere yeah

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and the one thing that bothered me

652
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,290
before we even go into that was trying

653
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to say that it is only liberals who

654
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oppose the space program I remember that

655
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and he said that President Kennedy was

656
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not a liberal he did he I think he

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doesn't know that Lyndon Baines Johnson

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was the greatest friend that the space

659
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program ever had the the territory that

660
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,440
is now the space Space Command Center in

661
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Houston was donated by Lyndon Johnson's

662
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buddies it's not called the Johnson

663
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Space Center for nothing but nothing

664
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:03,390
exactly then you moved on to the the

665
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:06,600
so-called ziggurat on the moon I don't

666
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:08,490
particularly want to go into that in

667
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:12,060
detail but I did make a note that Mike

668
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:15,690
Mara said that the the claim that is

669
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:17,910
it's a cigarette is not disputed by

670
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anyone who has a brain well as you know

671
00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:24,270
it's very much disputed by Stuart

672
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:25,040
Robbins

673
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:32,610
qualified astronomer well I worry when

674
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someone says that someone who disputes

675
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something may not have a brain

676
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I mean I thought that was downright

677
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insulting and I think I called him on

678
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,570
that I said that's going too far it's

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one thing to disagree with somebody and

680
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:49,460
maybe you think that somebody's

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00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:52,260
contentions or arguments might seem

682
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,110
stupid to you but you know that's

683
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:58,080
pushing the envelope well Mike Mike

684
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:01,350
barrows customary response to criticism

685
00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:04,050
mister called people douchebags he's

686
00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:07,800
called me a douche bag homosexual to him

687
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:09,540
that's an insult I guess I don't know

688
00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:14,660
why and he's called me even worse things

689
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:17,670
well okay let's take a look further at

690
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:20,850
the errors now back to the face on Mars

691
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:24,120
for a moment your our contention I take

692
00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:28,170
it is this is just a random thing that

693
00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:30,300
looked like a face because of the lack

694
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:32,550
of resolution of those photos yeah

695
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:35,790
that's right it's it seems to me very

696
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:41,010
obvious that if it were a intently

697
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:44,940
constructed device that as we got better

698
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:46,920
and better and better our photographs of

699
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:49,890
it as the years rolled on then we would

700
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,160
see more and more that that was true in

701
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,860
fact the the converse is the case we

702
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,140
have seen more and more than it's not

703
00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:00,720
true all of us the so-called

704
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,420
details of the eyes and the lips and

705
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:05,700
even at one point they were talking

706
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:08,790
about a tear duct in the eye all of that

707
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:11,190
now that we have really good their

708
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:13,380
photographs was disappeared it's just it

709
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:17,310
is it simply cannot be an in charge any

710
00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:20,580
constructed artifact isn't that in the

711
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,040
loose sense like the Martian canals we

712
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:25,200
believe they were canals on Mars or some

713
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:27,330
felt but as soon as we learn and had

714
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:30,150
better or more accurate photographs of

715
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:34,170
Mars we realize it wasn't so keen yes it

716
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:37,860
fits right into that history of Muslims

717
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:41,000
of Asian absolutely people seem to want

718
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:45,600
to fantasize about Mars as a place where

719
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there was once a civilization or Pat

720
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:51,670
could be again because it's romantic

721
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but it's not scientific and none of its

722
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:55,990
true well that's what edgar rice

723
00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:57,790
burroughs used when they created his

724
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:00,520
John Carter of Mars novels the stories

725
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:03,340
about possible canals on Mars so he said

726
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:06,820
okay let's talk about this dying race of

727
00:34:13,169 --> 00:34:09,820
Martians on the Dead Sea's of Barsoom

728
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:13,179
yes yes well but I would think though if

729
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,550
Mars ever had intelligent life at all it

730
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:17,520
would have been millions of years ago

731
00:34:25,409 --> 00:34:22,540
well yes that's demonstrably so and it

732
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:25,419
couldn't possibly have been in charge of

733
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:27,910
life that's anything like human human

734
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:30,970
life because the other conditions just

735
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:33,790
have never been like that there has

736
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:35,620
never never been an atmosphere that we

737
00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:39,070
could breathe and the the gravity is

738
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:40,900
different and the temperature is

739
00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:43,720
different it's it simply isn't habitable

740
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:46,150
from a point of view anything like a

741
00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:49,720
human I wonder could be move on to it as

742
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:52,150
a story off the satellite Explorer 1

743
00:34:58,590 --> 00:34:55,210
because that was also mentioned fairly

744
00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:58,600
early on in your para cast myth Mike yes

745
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,720
well why not sure go ahead this is an

746
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:04,000
interesting story I'd like to tell this

747
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,370
story I've blogged about it several

748
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:09,280
times here's the deal Explorer 1 was

749
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:13,240
America's first satellite was it went up

750
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:17,830
in January of 1958 it was the belated

751
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:21,130
answer to the success of Sputnik 1 which

752
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:24,700
went up the previous October and it was

753
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very much of a triumph for von Braun and

754
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his army team because they had initially

755
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been told that they were not the ones

756
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:33,970
that were going to put an American

757
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,130
satellite into orbit the Navy was going

758
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:38,560
to do that unfortunately the Navy's

759
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:42,150
rocket blew up very spectacularly and

760
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:44,620
reluctantly the government said to von

761
00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:46,450
Braun all right you can do it

762
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:50,920
well now the fact is that the satellite

763
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,150
was very successful but it did go into a

764
00:36:01,170 --> 00:35:57,300
somewhat higher orbit than they expected

765
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:01,180
they had planned an orbit of 220 by

766
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:03,310
1,000 miles

767
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:07,560
actually it went into two to three by

768
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:11,290
1592 miles they were probably using

769
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Microsoft software that's all we know

770
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,270
they did that we're talking to expat and

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he's here to talk about a reality check

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for those who believe in lunar and

773
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Martian mysteries and lots more about

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the space program and ladies and

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of information and you are listening to

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the podcast with gene and Chris and the

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power cast expat joining us former BBC

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producer covering the space program and

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we're not just talking about the lunar

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and Martian mysteries but quite a bit

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about the history of the space program

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00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,830
I'm just kind of wondering as we

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progressed maybe later on we'll deal

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with the fact that we sort of gave up so

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early on the space program after the

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Apollo landings ended but please go on

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00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,120
mr. x-pac yeah no this has become a

898
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:41,460
tremendously important thing for Richard

899
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:44,820
Hogan and Mike Barratt Hoagland did four

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complete hours on this on conkers to

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Coast AM and wrote a very long piece on

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00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:54,420
his website quote which he called one

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00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:57,330
Brown's secret Mike Berra wrote an

904
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entire chapter in his book the choice

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00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:02,970
and all of it that they are talking

906
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:05,940
about is totally absolutely wrong it's

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00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:08,390
based upon a complete ignorance of

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00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,790
orbital mechanics let's also talk about

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00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,160
what their contention is first so or

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00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:16,260
listeners understand what their argument

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00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:18,510
is and why you feel it's flawed yeah all

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00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:20,910
right Mike Barrow looks at that figure

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00:42:27,010 --> 00:42:23,940
he looks at the app the apogee that's

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the that's the highest part of the orbit

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00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:30,560
measured from the surface of the earth

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00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:33,540
1500 maggie2 miles as opposed to the

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00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:37,320
planned 1,000 miles he says oh look

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that's

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60% too much now you can't possibly

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explain that by any normal variation for

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00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:50,640
example variation in solid rocket fuel

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00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,130
there must have been something extra and

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00:42:59,849 --> 00:42:56,800
because this was a four stage rocket and

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00:43:04,740 --> 00:42:59,859
the upper stages were spinning at about

925
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:04,750
roughly 500 rpm he says that they must

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have gained an anti gravity assist

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00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:10,960
because they were spinning and that's

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:13,410
the only way that you can explain this

929
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,010
60 percent additional apogee so

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00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:20,560
basically he finds an irregularity and

931
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:23,320
therefore it's gonna be et that's right

932
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:26,410
now the problem is that that is not how

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00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:29,650
you measure the orbit of a satellite you

934
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:32,380
measure the orbit in terms of its

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00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:34,930
complete width in other words you

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measure from the center of the orbit not

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00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:41,440
from the from the surface of the earth X

938
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:43,480
pad isn't that pretty much high school

939
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:48,490
science absolutely absolutely it sounds

940
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:50,650
like something I remember from school so

941
00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:53,710
why would someone like Mike Berra

942
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:57,070
present something that is the reverse of

943
00:44:01,020 --> 00:43:58,210
the facts

944
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:01,030
well well Jean he said it on your show

945
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:05,590
he said Explorer one was 600 miles

946
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:07,210
higher than it should have been and

947
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:09,880
therefore something funny was going on

948
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:12,850
now if you actually measure from the

949
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:15,670
center of the orbit instead of from the

950
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:17,770
surface of the earth what do you find

951
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:23,280
you find that the semi-major axis was

952
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:28,960
4868 miles instead of 4,000 571 miles

953
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:33,510
and the access is not 60% but guess what

954
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:42,130
6.5% now you can also use a formula to

955
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:46,810
discover what the velocity of the of the

956
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:49,990
instruction pointer was and if you do

957
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:51,830
that it turns out that the

958
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:56,150
says is just 4.5% okay now let's

959
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,650
understand here a lot of our listeners

960
00:45:02,290 --> 00:45:00,440
are going to feel their eyes are glazing

961
00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:02,300
over as we continue with the science so

962
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:04,780
let's get to the main point of this the

963
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:08,300
point is that Richard Hoagland and Mike

964
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:11,030
Barrett are completely wrong there is no

965
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:15,200
need whatsoever to to suppose some kind

966
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:18,860
of anti-gravity effect from the fact

967
00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,040
that the upper stages were spinning now

968
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:24,500
let me also go through this which is I'm

969
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:26,270
not going to do any mathematics don't

970
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:30,410
worry this was as I say a four stage

971
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rocket in order to get something into

972
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:35,750
orbit you have to achieve two quite

973
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:38,720
different things first of all you need

974
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:41,270
to get it up high above the atmosphere

975
00:45:47,830 --> 00:45:45,380
say a hundred miles roughly you can get

976
00:45:51,310 --> 00:45:47,840
away with a bit less than that but 100

977
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:51,320
miles is a nice round figure having done

978
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:53,150
that you also need to give it a

979
00:46:01,090 --> 00:45:56,330
horizontal velocity of about four and a

980
00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:01,100
half miles per second okay now what

981
00:46:04,570 --> 00:46:02,540
happened with the the rocket that

982
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:04,580
launched explora when it was called a

983
00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:08,540
Juno rocket his first stage was a liquid

984
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:11,300
fuel rocket which was basically a

985
00:46:18,340 --> 00:46:14,470
stretched version of the redstone rocket

986
00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:18,350
that took care of all of the effort of

987
00:46:27,070 --> 00:46:23,060
getting it up to 100 miles high okay so

988
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:27,080
the gravity problem was already overcome

989
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:30,710
by the time they lit the second stage in

990
00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:33,290
fact if you look at the flight profile

991
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:35,780
by the time they lit that second stage

992
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:37,820
the rocket was traveling horizontally

993
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:42,200
not vertically so therefore a gravity

994
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:44,690
assist is completely irrelevant now I

995
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:47,450
want to emphasize something this is not

996
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:48,950
just my opinion

997
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:52,640
I'm sure if you if you play this back to

998
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,650
Mike Barrow he'd say oh well that's just

999
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:56,960
an expensive opinion it's not true it is

1000
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:00,700
not my opinion this is mathematical fact

1001
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:03,170
did the kind of staff that you'd see in

1002
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:05,210
a science book well

1003
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:08,180
online there is a technical report on

1004
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:11,630
the jr. rocket which I've I have linked

1005
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:16,610
to from my blog it gives the the flight

1006
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:18,950
profile which shows very clearly that

1007
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:20,830
the rocket was traveling horizontally

1008
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:25,010
when the second stage lead off but it

1009
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,190
also confirms that a five percent

1010
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,280
variation in the performance of the

1011
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:33,440
solid rocket fuel of those days was

1012
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:36,830
perfectly normal in fact that is the

1013
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:40,070
very reason why they spun the upper

1014
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:42,560
stages because the upper stages were

1015
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:44,930
clusters of what they called baby

1016
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:48,890
Sargent Rockets clusters of 11 3 and 1

1017
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:52,820
respectively they spun them because they

1018
00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:56,210
knew that there would be some variation

1019
00:48:02,380 --> 00:47:58,460
in the thrust of those Rockets which

1020
00:48:07,450 --> 00:48:02,390
were arranged in a ring so therefore it

1021
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:07,460
did the the 4.5% velocity increase is

1022
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:09,050
perfectly well explained where

1023
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:12,770
conventional means and if this is not

1024
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:17,080
just my opinion all right when

1025
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:23,690
confronted with this what does he say he

1026
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:29,210
says that I'm a douchebag it surely

1027
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:33,680
doesn't help it's an interesting term

1028
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:36,670
I've never quite figured out how it

1029
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:41,150
evolved but I don't want to digress it's

1030
00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:43,670
it's just it's weird to me

1031
00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:46,220
it's very old-fashioned insult isn't it

1032
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:49,220
I don't yeah it's like it's like an

1033
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:51,470
early 70s thing I used to say that to

1034
00:48:55,870 --> 00:48:53,630
people in high school and I really

1035
00:48:58,990 --> 00:48:55,880
wasn't even sure what it meant in terms

1036
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:59,000
of a derogatory term but but again I

1037
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:00,820
digress continue

1038
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:09,390
okay so instead of arguing the facts

1039
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:13,510
you're a douchebag you're a psychopath

1040
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:16,070
words that we can't even mention on

1041
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:22,570
radio yes and he does have a tendency to

1042
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:24,890
insinuate that his critics are

1043
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:27,830
homosexual and I don't really know why

1044
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:29,330
he thinks that's an insult but

1045
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:32,270
apparently he does I won't even get into

1046
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:33,710
that and I think that's taking it really

1047
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:36,050
really too far okay so basically he has

1048
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:39,160
no response no no there's no response

1049
00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:45,130
at one point Richard Hoagland conceded

1050
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:49,580
that that his mathematics on his website

1051
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:53,060
enterprise mission comm was incorrect no

1052
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:55,160
he went about it in a slightly different

1053
00:50:03,250 --> 00:49:59,290
way he attempted to figure out using a

1054
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:03,260
rocket equation what what they could the

1055
00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:09,230
the the extra the velocity was imparted

1056
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:11,630
to the satellite by the free upper

1057
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:15,080
stages and he got that completely wrong

1058
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:18,560
I mean his mathematics would have made a

1059
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:21,110
high school student blush he completely

1060
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:23,450
failed to evaluate a logarithm in the

1061
00:50:32,410 --> 00:50:27,410
equation and at one point about a year

1062
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:32,420
ago on his Facebook page he did concede

1063
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:36,170
that that mathematics needs revision now

1064
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:39,830
the question I would have is how does he

1065
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:42,050
come up with this mathematics is it

1066
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:45,550
because he's not fully conversant with

1067
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:48,320
the techniques involved or is he just

1068
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:51,170
making it up well you have to realize

1069
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:53,150
that neither Hoagland or Barrow he's

1070
00:50:59,020 --> 00:50:56,390
actually trained in physics or a

1071
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:59,030
struggle what happened or any of the

1072
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:01,070
subjects that they're right this is just

1073
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:03,260
the beginning folks it's a lot more to

1074
00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:05,450
talk about as we go through all the

1075
00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:08,120
claims and what expat considers to be

1076
00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:10,580
the scientific answers we have to look

1077
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:12,920
at the motivations to by the way ladies

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and gentlemen in addition to contacting

1079
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us on Twitter after the power cast we

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also have the famous world-famous I

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think

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caste community forums you could reach

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at forum that the power caste calm once

1085
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again forum dr parra cast calm expat

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joining gene and chris you're in the

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:11,170
here's Jane Steinberg as we continue

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00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:14,020
with Jean and Chris and the para cast we

1152
00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:16,660
have expat former BBC producer covering

1153
00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:20,080
the space program where he at one point

1154
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:22,780
I guess was sort of a colleague of the

1155
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:25,030
young Richard Hoagland did your paths

1156
00:54:29,130 --> 00:54:27,010
cross in the way it shoots actually talk

1157
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:29,140
to each other in those days now we never

1158
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:31,450
did speak but we must have been in the

1159
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:34,390
same room in particular I'm thinking for

1160
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:37,390
the coverage of the Viking landings on

1161
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:41,710
Mars in in July 1976 I was there the

1162
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:43,900
whole time and I know he was there

1163
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:45,580
so we must have been in the same room

1164
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,210
but we didn't actually meet well okay

1165
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:51,040
what do you think would happen if he

1166
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:52,990
found out who you really are

1167
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,210
well I don't think that he would take

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00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:58,000
legal action against me because I think

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that any attorney that he consulted

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00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,220
about the possibility would tell him he

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wouldn't stand a chance

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and also I well I I just don't think he

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00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:12,190
really would but I'm concerned because

1174
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,220
he has threatened it well obviously even

1175
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:17,590
if you're sued would we consider you a

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00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:20,440
public figure or no I'm not a public

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00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:23,500
figure but he is okay so basically what

1178
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:25,270
that means is they you would have a

1179
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:28,900
problem suing him but you'd have no

1180
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:31,510
problem showing you oh I've no intention

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00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:33,850
of soon whatsoever it's that's never

1182
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:35,590
entered my mind that's okay we

1183
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:37,330
understand that Chris people might want

1184
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:39,220
to sue me and Chris but we are famous

1185
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:41,890
public personalities who therefore there

1186
00:55:46,410 --> 00:55:44,530
is no earthly reason why anyone would

1187
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:46,420
choose to sue us speak for yourself man

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00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:49,840
I'm everybody's friend Yeah right

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00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:53,200
I'm Gina I once had occasion to be in

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00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:57,250
dispute with WGBH the who produced the

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00:56:03,870 --> 00:56:01,210
never series and it actually got to the

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00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:03,880
point of consulting Hollywood attorney

1193
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:06,040
and he's listened to my story

1194
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:08,560
very patiently and he said well

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00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:12,370
the expert he said you're gonna win it's

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00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:14,710
gonna take about three years and at the

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00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:16,120
end of that time you're probably going

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00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:17,980
to look at me and you'll say was it

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really worth it so you've spent a ton of

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money you'd win which you will win this

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00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:25,510
they say yeah I don't I don't think

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00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:28,450
people get justice from the circle

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00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:31,510
justice system very often actually no

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00:56:36,510 --> 00:56:33,730
waste of time and money and all it does

1205
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:36,520
is feed that lawyer beast looks like all

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00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:37,990
the class-action lawsuits against

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00:56:42,780 --> 00:56:39,460
effective products we understand if

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00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:42,790
there's a defective medication because

1209
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:45,490
people die but you know if like Syria on

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00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:47,260
your iPhone doesn't work as well as you

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00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:47,560
should

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00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,690
what is Apple gonna do well if Apple

1213
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:51,520
loses the lawsuit they'll give you a $20

1214
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:55,090
or $10 coupon a discount coupon and the

1215
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:56,380
lawyers will make millions of dollars

1216
00:57:01,200 --> 00:56:59,740
where's the well let's get off this

1217
00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:01,210
topic because it's not going to happen

1218
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:04,270
but that is the reason why I'm concerned

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00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:06,790
about my identity okay let's continue

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00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:08,740
Chris you have any more questions before

1221
00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:11,380
I proceed with one well I do and before

1222
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,560
we we veer off Mars and go to the moon I

1223
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:16,720
do have some interesting questions about

1224
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:19,780
both subjects from our forum posters but

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00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:23,350
you know I've uh I've talked with at

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:25,570
length with dr. John Brandenburg and

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00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:28,690
about a year year and a half ago he came

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:30,970
up with a pretty interesting theory

1229
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:34,090
concerning Mars and that has to do with

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00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:37,420
some sort of nuclear event that he says

1231
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:39,790
we have all sorts of evidence to support

1232
00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:42,060
that there was quite a large nuclear

1233
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:47,470
event he doesn't quite go far out to say

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00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:50,350
that it was some somehow induced he said

1235
00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:51,730
that there is a possibility obviously

1236
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:52,900
that it could have been some sort of

1237
00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:55,090
natural event but are you familiar with

1238
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:58,840
the work of dr. Brandenburg and and you

1239
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:00,070
know he was the one that first proposed

1240
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:02,050
the idea of a whole ocean on the

1241
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:03,670
northern hemisphere of the planet and

1242
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:05,710
and then this revelation a year and a

1243
00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:08,770
half ago about a thin layer of uranium

1244
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:11,230
thorium I think in radioactive potassium

1245
00:58:16,050 --> 00:58:13,930
that covers the planet what you take on

1246
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:16,060
that it's very interesting he told me

1247
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:19,630
privately that he suspects it may have

1248
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:20,510
been an air

1249
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:22,370
first event of course he hasn't he

1250
00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:23,810
hasn't publicly gone out and said that

1251
00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:28,430
but that's kind of his thinking no what

1252
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,740
do you think about his his theories well

1253
00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:32,000
Chris I don't know about this at all I

1254
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:36,100
must say this is complete news to me I

1255
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:39,770
would very much doubt that there's any

1256
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:42,370
evidence for any kind of deliberate

1257
00:58:48,790 --> 00:58:45,710
nuclear explosion on Mars but do know

1258
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:48,800
that it's possible for such a thing as a

1259
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:52,460
natural nuclear reactor to happen in if

1260
00:58:59,230 --> 00:58:54,410
there's a sufficient concentration of

1261
00:59:01,390 --> 00:58:59,240
uranium ore it can spontaneously start a

1262
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:01,400
chain reaction in fact I believe there

1263
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:03,620
was a case in Africa where that actually

1264
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:06,620
has been documented but really an act in

1265
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:08,570
terms of Mars I I've really done that

1266
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:11,870
it's not my topic at all yeah he's he's

1267
00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:13,390
come up with some pretty interesting

1268
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:17,180
information based on NASA's own science

1269
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:20,210
basically and he's interpreted it he

1270
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:22,310
says about 180 million years ago a

1271
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:24,890
planet shattering a nuclear reaction may

1272
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,630
have wiped out everything on Mars and

1273
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:28,700
turned the planet into dry sand

1274
00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:30,890
basically he said it there's a highly

1275
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:35,720
concentrated area in the Mauri acid

1276
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,510
Oleum region I think I'm just reading

1277
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:40,880
off an article here and it filled the

1278
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:43,790
atmosphere with Radio isotopes and this

1279
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:47,440
data is being seen in recent gamma rates

1280
00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:50,860
spectrometry taken you know the data

1281
00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:53,600
gathered by NASA that's pretty

1282
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:57,500
interesting theory there uh so I was

1283
01:00:02,560 --> 00:59:59,570
just curious if you were aware of that

1284
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,570
and in in the work of dr. John

1285
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:04,400
Brandenburg he has a very interesting

1286
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:08,680
book about Mars that I highly recommend

1287
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,660
okay well I'm sorry I don't know about

1288
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,000
it at all I'm not being evasive right

1289
01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:15,920
I've just not familiar with that story

1290
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:19,070
okay yeah he's by the way just for your

1291
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:22,130
own information he's a he's a propulsion

1292
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:24,740
scientist for orbital technologies up in

1293
01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:28,520
Wisconsin and he's he's pretty bright

1294
01:00:33,009 --> 01:00:30,260
guy and he's written a couple of books

1295
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:33,019
about Mars and and I do

1296
01:00:40,029 --> 01:00:37,130
and listeners and EU to to check into

1297
01:00:42,459 --> 01:00:40,039
his work it's pretty out of the box he's

1298
01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:42,469
not constrained by the scientific

1299
01:00:46,329 --> 01:00:44,869
community that is fully entrenched in

1300
01:00:48,819 --> 01:00:46,339
this type of work he's an outsider

1301
01:00:51,399 --> 01:00:48,829
that's looking at it and and doing his

1302
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:51,409
own analytical work but it's pretty weak

1303
01:00:57,279 --> 01:00:55,119
pretty grounded in NASA's own data so

1304
01:01:00,370 --> 01:00:57,289
just for your listeners out there

1305
01:01:03,849 --> 01:01:00,380
I digress of course I always do let's

1306
01:01:06,609 --> 01:01:03,859
move on I do have some questions here a

1307
01:01:08,979 --> 01:01:06,619
couple of interesting ones this comes

1308
01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:08,989
from one of our tried and true posters

1309
01:01:13,870 --> 01:01:11,329
who's been posting for a couple years

1310
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:13,880
Sandom fire and he says respectfully my

1311
01:01:18,429 --> 01:01:16,130
questions is the moon made out of cheese

1312
01:01:20,169 --> 01:01:18,439
and if so what kind but because there

1313
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:20,179
really a man on the moon and if so do

1314
01:01:26,649 --> 01:01:21,649
you think Mike bear has met him and

1315
01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:26,659
would that make you jealous we have some

1316
01:01:33,339 --> 01:01:31,099
comedians on her but seriously now he

1317
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:33,349
also goes on and asked a third question

1318
01:01:36,939 --> 01:01:35,089
he said with so much technology

1319
01:01:38,769 --> 01:01:36,949
available to the average amateur

1320
01:01:41,409 --> 01:01:38,779
astronomer including very impressive

1321
01:01:43,989 --> 01:01:41,419
Astro imaging hardware and software for

1322
01:01:45,849 --> 01:01:43,999
now the prices come down it's modest

1323
01:01:48,699 --> 01:01:45,859
priced why do people like Berra

1324
01:01:50,739 --> 01:01:48,709
continuously make claims about areas

1325
01:01:52,629 --> 01:01:50,749
objects and locations on the moon that

1326
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,639
can be readily observed for several

1327
01:01:56,919 --> 01:01:54,559
nights each month by literally hundreds

1328
01:01:59,439 --> 01:01:56,929
if not thousands of observers such

1329
01:02:02,049 --> 01:01:59,449
observations would clearly prove many of

1330
01:02:04,479 --> 01:02:02,059
Barry's client too this fact alone would

1331
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:04,489
be enough to encourage bear to give up

1332
01:02:07,749 --> 01:02:06,529
the ghost since literally amateur

1333
01:02:09,759 --> 01:02:07,759
astronomers around the world can

1334
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,769
disprove their claims by just looking up

1335
01:02:13,539 --> 01:02:12,079
in your professional opinion why do you

1336
01:02:15,699 --> 01:02:13,549
think Berra continues to make these

1337
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:15,709
claims well that's a very good point

1338
01:02:22,539 --> 01:02:19,789
that your your poster has there it

1339
01:02:26,139 --> 01:02:22,549
doesn't apply to all of the claims that

1340
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,149
are made by Hogan Berra I think that

1341
01:02:31,779 --> 01:02:28,880
they would probably say that you

1342
01:02:34,059 --> 01:02:31,789
wouldn't expect an amateur astronomer to

1343
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:34,069
be able to see what they call their

1344
01:02:40,389 --> 01:02:37,839
glass domes this is always amused me

1345
01:02:41,540 --> 01:02:40,399
because they claim that there are glass

1346
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:41,550
domes

1347
01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:44,520
across vast areas of the moon and when

1348
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:47,820
asked well why are they not visible from

1349
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:50,880
Earth from earth-based telescopes they

1350
01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:52,440
say well of course they're not visible

1351
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:54,840
because they're made of glass so they're

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transparent of course you dummy you

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douchebag well wouldn't you be able to

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see light refracting through something

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like that I mean I the elementary optics

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they're very like the wood and indeed

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you would probably be able to see the

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casts we have expat and he is here to

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provide what he regards as a reality

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01:08:22,530 --> 01:08:19,710
check for Martian and lunar mysteries

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specifically those propounded by people

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like Mike Berra and Richard Hoagland and

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we know we just know that we're gonna

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01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:28,780
get ourselves in trouble over this show

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but that's why we're here

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we're always getting ourselves in

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trouble mr. expat did you have any

1469
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:35,140
further comments to make before Chris

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01:08:39,380 --> 01:08:36,460
gets on with more questions from our

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01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:39,390
listeners yes I just want to add that

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:42,880
Mike barrows recent book ancient aliens

1473
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:45,850
on the moon there's a peasant I plugged

1474
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:49,510
it for him Mike chapter 9 is all about

1475
01:08:58,140 --> 01:08:53,980
the art what excess of the artifacts in

1476
01:09:00,990 --> 01:08:58,150
one specific image from Apollo 11 and

1477
01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:01,000
that's that is really the entire content

1478
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:03,940
of chapter 9 that's the one that he

1479
01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:07,870
starts off with that famous ziggurat but

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01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:10,660
he also says that he sees a gun

1481
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:16,600
emplacement a drill a beach house a

1482
01:09:22,230 --> 01:09:19,290
spaceship which is curiously enough

1483
01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:22,240
aerodynamic I'd love to know why he

1484
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:23,980
thinks that there would be a need for an

1485
01:09:30,059 --> 01:09:26,770
aerodynamic spaceship on the moon which

1486
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:30,069
has no air well come on we're talking

1487
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:31,960
about Dick Cheney's vacation home here

1488
01:09:36,809 --> 01:09:35,290
so we have to cut some slack here well I

1489
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:36,819
think some of those things if they

1490
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:40,750
existed would be visible from from good

1491
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:43,420
amateur telescopes because they're quite

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01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:47,020
big the ziggurat itself for example is

1493
01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:49,750
supposed to be one mile square now

1494
01:09:55,860 --> 01:09:52,240
that's quite big enough to be observable

1495
01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:55,870
by a decent telescope from Earth and so

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01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:58,270
you'd have to ask Mike why is it not

1497
01:10:00,629 --> 01:09:58,780
there

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01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:00,639
how about some things that have been

1499
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:03,960
seen I have a question from exo dok2

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01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:07,270
expat i guess we got a lot of mr. x's

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:09,340
here today it is the war of the exes

1502
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:12,730
featured on the gentlemen well during

1503
01:10:17,729 --> 01:10:16,329
Apollo 16 Ken Mattingly observed flashes

1504
01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:17,739
on the Dark Side of the Moon on two

1505
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:19,420
consecutive orbits do you have any

1506
01:10:24,689 --> 01:10:22,270
further information about this and/or do

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01:10:27,839 --> 01:10:24,699
you have any thoughts on SN he also

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:27,849
mentions in a second question in 1959 an

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01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:30,489
astronomer named John O'Neill observed

1510
01:10:36,209 --> 01:10:34,630
what he felt was a large bridge over you

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01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:36,219
know somebody's at flattened words Marv

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01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:39,880
Chris Chris iam Marv a crazy um yes mark

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:42,039
is iam been calling the sea of crises

1514
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:45,010
the sea of crises okay yeah well he's

1515
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:48,489
John O'Neill an astronomer observed what

1516
01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:50,190
he called a large bridge there and

1517
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:52,750
British astronomer dr. H Wilkins

1518
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:54,340
confirmed a bridge like structure a

1519
01:10:57,930 --> 01:10:55,090
month later

1520
01:11:00,209 --> 01:10:57,940
what other bridge reports are you aware

1521
01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:00,219
of and what do you think of those okay

1522
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:02,500
let's deal with the Apollo 16 question

1523
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,270
first I looked into this I looked at the

1524
01:11:11,129 --> 01:11:09,280
Apollo 16 mission transcript I don't

1525
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:11,139
know if you know but all of the mission

1526
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:13,570
transcripts are available as PDF files

1527
01:11:19,109 --> 01:11:17,770
online which is very useful indeed now

1528
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:19,119
of course these people might assert that

1529
01:11:25,919 --> 01:11:23,070
those transcripts are manipulated well

1530
01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:25,929
all I can say is that here's here's what

1531
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:29,320
is available in the public transcript

1532
01:11:36,689 --> 01:11:33,130
about the flesh this was mission elapsed

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01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,699
time one two three one two three one

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01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:38,520
hundred twenty three hours seven minutes

1535
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:40,630
Mattingly says I was looking at the

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01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:42,730
horizon there was a bright flash it was

1537
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:44,230
below the horizon

1538
01:11:48,899 --> 01:11:46,840
maybe I saw one of these bright flashes

1539
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:48,909
that everyone else has been seeing all

1540
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:53,650
day you know I can interpret that all

1541
01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:57,010
astronauts see flashes in their eyes due

1542
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:00,820
to the the interaction between cosmic

1543
01:12:04,919 --> 01:12:03,369
rays and their retina this has been a

1544
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:04,929
well-known fact ever since the very

1545
01:12:10,810 --> 01:12:07,329
first space flights and apparently

1546
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:10,820
during Apollo 16 his

1547
01:12:16,510 --> 01:12:14,030
that would be would have been John Young

1548
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,520
and Charlie Duke we're seeing these

1549
01:12:24,220 --> 01:12:19,520
flashes but apparently Ken Mattingly

1550
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:24,230
didn't until that time so he says the

1551
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:26,870
flash was below that horizon so maybe it

1552
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:30,530
was something strange down there but on

1553
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:32,270
the other hand probably I was just

1554
01:12:38,170 --> 01:12:34,940
seeing a cosmic ray flash in my in my

1555
01:12:40,930 --> 01:12:38,180
eyes so that would be my explanation

1556
01:12:44,170 --> 01:12:40,940
that it was it was a cosmic ray flash

1557
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:44,180
just like all astronauts see it just

1558
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:46,460
happened to be below the horizon so it

1559
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:48,590
was a little in the classic you know one

1560
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:50,210
of the problems in another field we

1561
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:53,990
cover the UFO field is we feel Chris and

1562
01:12:59,230 --> 01:12:56,150
I that there are things going on that

1563
01:13:01,150 --> 01:12:59,240
are not explained but a lot of those

1564
01:13:03,610 --> 01:13:01,160
lights in the sky are just lights in the

1565
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,620
sky you know they're natural

1566
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:05,920
explanations for them stars whatever

1567
01:13:12,970 --> 01:13:08,690
let's move on to the second part of XO

1568
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:12,980
doc the the bridge of a maori cuisine

1569
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:16,130
they sea of crises actually John O'Neill

1570
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:18,890
was not an astronomer he was a science

1571
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:21,970
journalist but doesn't matter

1572
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:25,520
Mary Christian is 500 kilometres across

1573
01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:28,820
I don't really think it's credible that

1574
01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:30,950
there would be a bridge that time wide

1575
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:33,470
and certainly there is no such bridge

1576
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:37,780
right now we now have extremely good

1577
01:13:44,110 --> 01:13:40,970
photographic coverage of the entire moon

1578
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:44,120
surface from the spacecraft called the

1579
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:47,690
lunar reconnaissance observer and you

1580
01:13:53,770 --> 01:13:49,370
can look at Mare Crisium

1581
01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:53,780
in the kind of detail of about about

1582
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:56,270
five kilometres persecuting me five

1583
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,090
meters per pixel and if there was a

1584
01:14:04,990 --> 01:14:01,040
bridge you would certainly see it on

1585
01:14:08,260 --> 01:14:05,000
those pictures no it's not a bridge too

1586
01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:08,270
far on a bridge too far I'm sure he asks

1587
01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:10,340
what other bridge reports are am i aware

1588
01:14:16,810 --> 01:14:13,100
of that that's pretty interesting there

1589
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:16,820
are several small bridges on the moon

1590
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,180
they are they're partially collapsed

1591
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:23,360
lava tubes generally speaking a lava

1592
01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:24,030
tube

1593
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,190
is very familiar to people who live on

1594
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:29,760
Hawaii it's where it's where lava flowed

1595
01:14:33,940 --> 01:14:32,850
underground and made o or a little cube

1596
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:33,950
for itself

1597
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:38,490
but then when the flow stops the tube is

1598
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:40,770
evacuated and the roof sometimes

1599
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:44,010
collapses there's one in particular that

1600
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:48,080
was discovered very recently back in

1601
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:54,330
September 2010 it's it's on the far side

1602
01:15:00,530 --> 01:14:57,260
of the moon near a crater called kingdom

1603
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:00,540
and that that is very easily visible on

1604
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:04,530
the lunar reconnaissance observer site

1605
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:08,340
that I mentioned very interesting people

1606
01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:10,770
scientists like these things because

1607
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:14,550
they are there are possible habitations

1608
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:18,710
if if you wanted to actually build a a

1609
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:22,110
permanent base on the moon but of course

1610
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:24,410
these are not what was ever put there

1611
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:27,360
you feel buying intelligent races from

1612
01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:32,060
elsewhere well no I don't think so these

1613
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:34,740
these natural bridges are quite easily

1614
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:36,890
explained

1615
01:15:42,860 --> 01:15:40,410
well that that leads me to a question

1616
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from God's Mackay who's one of our most

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active posters at forum dr. Perik asked

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calm and his first question is very

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simple do you think there are any

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unusual surface features on Mars or the

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moon for that matter and we have only 30

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seconds for the answer before our next

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segment you want to start okay what I'll

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be quick yes there are very interesting

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features on Mars and again we have

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from the Mars Reconnaissance Observer

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[Music]

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chris is getting into his trickster mode

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there as we explore the possibility of

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lunar and Martian mysteries and what

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01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:13,020
might be the cause and expand our guest

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this week has been mentioning some stuff

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01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:17,700
there in response to questions from our

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01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:19,230
listeners you want to continue well I

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have a couple of questions here from GOG

1751
01:21:28,460 --> 01:21:25,500
smacky and also from from other posters

1752
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:28,470
about Richard Hoagland and one question

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01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:30,600
comes from ufology who's up in Calgary

1754
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,570
Alberta the question is can you please

1755
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:35,400
explain the theory behind Richard

1756
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:39,420
Hoagland Accutron space den CO meter or

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01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:41,490
whatever that is and why you think it's

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01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:44,070
either legit or not and then a follow-up

1759
01:21:49,690 --> 01:21:47,400
question deals with Hogan's claim that

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01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:49,700
he used military type imaging software

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01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:51,860
that is designed to look for

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artificiality in pictures and he claims

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:56,610
to have processed images from Cydonia

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01:22:01,850 --> 01:21:58,290
that strongly show the face and other

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:01,860
features that are very unnatural what is

1766
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:04,170
your opinion of these types of claims

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01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:08,190
and in this technology a dense EO meter

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01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:11,640
that's yes I know a lot about this I've

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01:22:16,190 --> 01:22:14,310
blogged about this several times he

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01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:16,200
doesn't called it he does not call it at

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01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:19,170
the NCO meter he calls it a torsion

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01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:22,650
field detector the the idea of a

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01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:25,320
so-called torsion field he's borrowed

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01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:29,340
from some Soviet scientists their names

1775
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:32,670
were akima for ship off who studied what

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01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,780
they called a space torsion field back

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01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:39,120
in the 1980s so they were funded for a

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01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,120
while by the Soviet Academy of Sciences

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01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:43,920
but they very quickly have their phones

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yanked because the Academy determined

1781
01:22:51,650 --> 01:22:49,650
that this was a complete fraud

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01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:51,660
and there was no such thing as a torsion

1783
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:54,180
field well Richard Hoagland thinks that

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01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:57,270
there is and he says that he can measure

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01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:00,639
it and his point is

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that when the torsion field sweeps

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01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:06,520
through any physical object it would

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change that object's mass because it it

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01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:12,730
it actually changes the inertia of the

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object and the way he measures that is

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01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:19,690
with his Accutron wristwatch made by

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01:23:24,689 --> 01:23:22,090
Bulova I would like to point out that

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01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:24,699
the last time we'll ever made an

1794
01:23:30,959 --> 01:23:27,550
accurate Ronn wristwatch was late in 77

1795
01:23:33,899 --> 01:23:30,969
so therefore richard hoagland wristwatch

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01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:33,909
is at least 35 years old maybe as much

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01:23:41,129 --> 01:23:36,520
as 40 so it's not really a precision

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01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:41,139
instrument anyway the Accutron mechanism

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01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:45,520
works with a tiny tuning fork so richard

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01:23:52,890 --> 01:23:49,360
hoagland reasons that the mass of the

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tuning fork will change when a torsion

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01:23:58,830 --> 01:23:56,440
wave passes through it and he says that

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01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:58,840
he could measure that and he's produced

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01:24:04,129 --> 01:24:02,080
several traces that he's done with what

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01:24:07,709 --> 01:24:04,139
he wanted what is called a micro set

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01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:07,719
precision watch timer this is a device

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01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:11,830
that times the the the tuning fork

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01:24:17,729 --> 01:24:14,560
basically in the frequency and displays

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:17,739
it on a computer screen and he's done

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01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,010
that with the annular eclipses this year

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01:24:27,899 --> 01:24:24,400
on May 20th and the Venus transit this

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01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:27,909
year on June 5th and he says that he's

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01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:32,409
proved that a pyramid amplifies the

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01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:35,860
torsion field he's he's posted these

1815
01:24:41,879 --> 01:24:39,600
traces on his Facebook page

1816
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:41,889
unfortunately this is completely invalid

1817
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:46,330
science not only because of the 35 year

1818
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:49,330
old technology is using but because he's

1819
01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:52,110
not posted any controls or any baselines

1820
01:24:59,070 --> 01:24:55,030
in other words we don't know what the

1821
01:25:04,590 --> 01:24:59,080
normal behavior of this unique fork is

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01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:04,600
so how can we survive any deviation from

1823
01:25:08,430 --> 01:25:06,670
something unless you supply some sort of

1824
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:08,440
baseline data it doesn't make sense to

1825
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:10,840
me again we're back to high school

1826
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:14,530
science exactly it without baseline

1827
01:25:20,729 --> 01:25:17,369
and Controls is completely worthless

1828
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:20,739
also by the way there's something else

1829
01:25:29,129 --> 01:25:26,110
he he had asked his Facebook fans to

1830
01:25:32,879 --> 01:25:29,139
send him cash so that he could go to the

1831
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:32,889
Egyptian pyramid for the for the annular

1832
01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:36,010
eclipse of May 20th but no excuse me for

1833
01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:37,960
the for the Venus transient May June 5th

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01:25:43,379 --> 01:25:40,900
well about two thousand dollars rolled

1835
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:43,389
in but he said that wasn't enough so he

1836
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,400
didn't go to Egypt and didn't refund the

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01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:47,920
money I would think a guy like that

1838
01:25:52,049 --> 01:25:50,170
though could get more than two thousand

1839
01:25:53,970 --> 01:25:52,059
dollars in donations speaking of someone

1840
01:25:57,299 --> 01:25:53,980
who was on occasion asked for donations

1841
01:26:00,899 --> 01:25:57,309
and I'm not nearly as famous if he is I

1842
01:26:03,299 --> 01:26:00,909
think based on the percentages this

1843
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:03,309
should have been a slam dunk well it

1844
01:26:08,430 --> 01:26:05,110
didn't work out for him he didn't go to

1845
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:08,440
Egypt instead he went to Sandia Peak

1846
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:10,770
which is near his hometown in

1847
01:26:18,089 --> 01:26:16,030
Albuquerque or near Albuquerque and he

1848
01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:18,099
went to the terrace of a restaurant

1849
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:21,400
which is halfway up Sandia Peak and he

1850
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:23,170
said oh well I think the Sandia Peak

1851
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:26,530
will stand in for a pyramid and then he

1852
01:26:32,069 --> 01:26:28,510
confidently declared that he had proved

1853
01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:32,079
that by showing the trace during the

1854
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,800
Venus transit and said that that just

1855
01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:37,840
shows that I'm right that a pyramid does

1856
01:26:42,660 --> 01:26:40,630
indeed amplify the torsion wave well

1857
01:26:44,910 --> 01:26:42,670
unfortunately he he had that drop

1858
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:44,920
something else when he was on

1859
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:48,340
coast-to-coast he said he said that the

1860
01:26:55,950 --> 01:26:52,900
Accutron watch had quote gone nuts for

1861
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:55,960
12 hours non-stop during the summer

1862
01:27:01,379 --> 01:26:59,199
solstice if that was not when he was at

1863
01:27:02,839 --> 01:27:01,389
Sandia Peak that was a linear in his own

1864
01:27:06,299 --> 01:27:02,849
backyard

1865
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:06,309
so therefore I think it disproves his

1866
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:11,460
point Wow well I've been accused of

1867
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:13,449
accidentally calling Richard hoaxes

1868
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:18,159
hland I mean Hoagland you see this

1869
01:27:21,629 --> 01:27:20,050
Westie ladies and gentlemen he doesn't

1870
01:27:27,540 --> 01:27:21,639
want to get into trouble Kris not gonna

1871
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:27,550
be a nice guy and then he said oh sure

1872
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:28,060
you know

1873
01:27:35,490 --> 01:27:30,190
I'm sorry it didn't mean to say the H

1874
01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:35,500
word no I didn t the X word I know what

1875
01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:37,720
you mean I know what you mean but how

1876
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:39,700
about this imaging technology that he

1877
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:42,130
claims that the military has imaging

1878
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:44,050
software that that can look for

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01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:47,650
artificiality in pictures and he claims

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that he has processed images from his

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technology that strongly show the faith

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and other features that are very

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unnatural again this is the question

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from GOG smacky yeah I don't know about

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01:28:03,420 --> 01:28:00,820
that I haven't had not heard that claim

1886
01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:03,430
and I don't think it's anywhere on his

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websites sorry I can't comment on that

1888
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one well since we're on the subject of

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imaging and claims of airbrushing and

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painting on negatives here's a question

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from trained observer again one of our

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our real tried and true posters at forum

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dr. Perik asked calm and he asks about

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Ken Johnston and his story about seeing

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people airbrushing and painting on

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negatives obscuring evidence of

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01:28:38,820 --> 01:28:36,360
artificiality that sort of thing I mean

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01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:38,830
what do you think of these claims there

1899
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:40,090
have been several over the years I think

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there was a woman who was work for NASA

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01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:48,340
and claimed that there was a program in

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place to speak eight evidence of

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artificiality on some of these images

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what what you take on that no I'm not

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01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:01,630
suggesting that ken Johnston has

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falsified the information at all it may

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well be that Richard Hoagland and Mack

1908
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Berra have misunderstood him I'm back

1909
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both Richard Hoagland and Mike Parra

1910
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have said that Ken Johnston reported

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that he wandered into a into a

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classified area one day and found people

1913
01:29:29,550 --> 01:29:26,200
quote airbrushing the original camera

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negatives from the Apollo missions from

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from the Hasselblad cameras that the

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astronauts carried on the surface of the

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Moon there's a couple of big problems

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01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:37,570
with that one is that there were no

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camera negatives the film that was

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learning

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01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:43,800
says Hasselblad cameras was a lot- film

1922
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it was exocrine reversal could you

1923
01:29:50,780 --> 01:29:48,690
explain to our listeners what that means

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those of us who are non photographers I

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01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:53,010
am familiar with what he's talking about

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but yeah well you know it used to be

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that everybody would understand if I

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said that the film was the kind that you

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used to make slides slides anymore right

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because very simply when you took a

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photograph that was a slide it was a

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direct image it didn't require an

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intermediary negative correct it's it's

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just like one frame of a movie in other

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words it's a positive image but in order

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to display it you need to shine a light

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through it rather than just look at it

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on a piece of paper on your Kodak

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[Music]

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funny how we speak of Kodak and and we

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think about a company in bankruptcy it's

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better days behind it didn't adequately

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adapt to the new technologies we have

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expat joining Jean and Chris in the

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power cast completing answers to our

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listeners questions expat you had more

2043
01:35:32,150 --> 01:35:29,940
to say yes the other problem with what

2044
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:32,160
has been alleged is that you cannot

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01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:35,600
successfully airbrush a a film negative

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01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:38,820
you have to understand that when you're

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01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:41,430
gonna print a negative the the paper on

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01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:43,140
which you're gonna print it on starts

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01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:47,400
off as white okay now when it sees some

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01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:50,130
light it darkens they can talking all

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01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,710
the way to black or it couldn't find no

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light and therefore stay off white and

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01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:58,020
the degree to which any any particular

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spot on the paper darkens depends upon

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01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:06,120
the the transparency of the negative

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01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:09,980
okay if the if a spot on the negative is

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01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:14,040
entirely transparent then that spot on

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01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:17,610
the print will become black if if it's

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01:36:22,850 --> 01:36:20,850
entirely opaque then that spot on the

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01:36:25,820 --> 01:36:22,860
print will never see any light and will

2061
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:25,830
remain white now the problem with the

2062
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:27,900
allegation of airbrushing a negative is

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01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:31,800
that you cannot successfully use an

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01:36:37,220 --> 01:36:33,780
airbrush to make a part of the negative

2065
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:37,230
more transparent that's impossible you

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01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:40,290
just can't do it you can make it you can

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01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:44,010
make it less transparent my spring ink

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on it I suppose but nobody does that so

2069
01:36:51,950 --> 01:36:50,520
this story of changing easy to detect I

2070
01:36:53,660 --> 01:36:51,960
mean come on there's there's no way you

2071
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:53,670
could you could hide evidence of that

2072
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:56,820
well what was again trained observer

2073
01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:58,410
kind of has a follow-up question here

2074
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:00,840
about this what was Ken Johnson's actual

2075
01:37:05,930 --> 01:37:03,480
role at NASA do we know James Oberg has

2076
01:37:07,790 --> 01:37:05,940
reported that attempts to verify his

2077
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:07,800
claims of being a former Marine pilot

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have failed and as you pointed out his

2079
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:11,760
claim of seeing somebody airbrush her

2080
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paint over a negative doesn't make sense

2081
01:37:17,180 --> 01:37:16,739
particularly if he is also allegedly an

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expert

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Photography do you know or do we know if

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01:37:25,610 --> 01:37:21,900
he was actually a test pilot at NASA and

2085
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:25,620
his Space Administration data in photo

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01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:27,449
control department manager

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do you know this yeah yeah yes Chris I

2088
01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,040
know the story very well let's start

2089
01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:37,320
with with Ken Johnston's service in the

2090
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Marines he served honorably as an

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01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:44,219
aircraft technician went and took

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training courses to become a an f4 pilot

2093
01:37:56,270 --> 01:37:52,620
however he never finished that course he

2094
01:37:59,060 --> 01:37:56,280
never became a licensed pilot and in

2095
01:38:02,330 --> 01:37:59,070
fact there was a change made between the

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01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:02,340
first and second edition of the book

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01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:04,650
dark mission by Richard Hoagland and

2098
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:07,890
Mike Bearer they when they went to a

2099
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:09,239
second edition they made the following

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01:38:14,689 --> 01:38:12,030
changes when the first edition said

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01:38:18,860 --> 01:38:14,699
after a tour of duty in the Marines as

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01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:18,870
an f4 pilot he went to work at NASA as a

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01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,350
chief lunar module test pilot okay when

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01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:24,480
it came to the second edition they

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01:38:31,490 --> 01:38:28,890
removed the words as an f4 pilot and

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01:38:34,610 --> 01:38:31,500
it's replaced them with the phrase where

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01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:34,620
he trained in planes such as the f4

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01:38:42,729 --> 01:38:38,550
phantom and they removed the words as a

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01:38:45,790 --> 01:38:42,739
chief lunar module test pilot at NASA

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01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:45,800
that's that was for the second edition

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01:38:54,770 --> 01:38:49,199
no there's no doubt whatever that Ken

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01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:54,780
Johnston did act as a technician it for

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01:39:01,640 --> 01:38:57,780
Grumman who made the manufacturers of

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01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:01,650
the lunar module and he was an expert at

2115
01:39:11,209 --> 01:39:07,410
the controls and in fact he did serve as

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01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:11,219
an instructor for the astronauts in how

2117
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to fly the lunar module and I also again

2118
01:39:19,850 --> 01:39:16,560
will emphasize he served his country

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01:39:23,060 --> 01:39:19,860
honorably in the Marines I'm not taking

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01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:23,070
away from his service in any way and I

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01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:24,870
don't necessarily think that he

2122
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:29,670
falsified his his bio to Mike Berra and

2123
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:30,810
Richard Hoagland

2124
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:32,580
it may well be that they simply

2125
01:39:39,370 --> 01:39:35,490
misunderstood it now when we come to his

2126
01:39:42,460 --> 01:39:39,380
service at NASA he wasn't a direct

2127
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:42,470
employee of NASA he was a contractor

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01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:46,110
employed by Brown & Root and his role

2129
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:49,370
was in the lunar receiving laboratory

2130
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:52,650
dealing with the lunar rock samples and

2131
01:40:00,080 --> 01:39:56,340
his his part of his role was to send out

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01:40:03,050 --> 01:40:00,090
the lunar rock samples to scientists who

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have successfully applied for permission

2134
01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:06,900
to analyze them along with the package

2135
01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:09,870
he had to send out any photographic

2136
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:13,140
support which would show exactly where

2137
01:40:19,310 --> 01:40:15,690
the sample was collected and what his

2138
01:40:21,610 --> 01:40:19,320
orientation was and and so on and for

2139
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:21,620
that purpose he had four or five

2140
01:40:27,260 --> 01:40:25,050
complete sets of the photographs that

2141
01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:27,270
were taken by all of the Apollo

2142
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:31,320
astronauts now these were not the the

2143
01:40:37,420 --> 01:40:34,170
Masters Richard Hoagland and Mike Barrow

2144
01:40:39,980 --> 01:40:37,430
like to say that these were the original

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01:40:42,770 --> 01:40:39,990
masters but that is absolutely not true

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01:40:45,730 --> 01:40:42,780
the original masters were held in a

2147
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:45,740
completely different building the the

2148
01:40:52,940 --> 01:40:49,650
complete Apollo photographic archive was

2149
01:40:55,610 --> 01:40:52,950
nothing to do with with where in Johnson

2150
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,620
worked they were certainly early

2151
01:41:01,850 --> 01:40:58,320
generation prints yes I would not deny

2152
01:41:04,580 --> 01:41:01,860
that but even today you can order an

2153
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:04,590
early generation print of any NASA

2154
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:06,750
Apollo photograph you want you simply

2155
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:09,570
have to pay them some money it's public

2156
01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:13,020
property one would hope that with all

2157
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:14,190
the tax dollars that have been spent

2158
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,770
billions of dollars furthering our

2159
01:41:20,420 --> 01:41:18,480
knowledge of space that the people that

2160
01:41:22,940 --> 01:41:20,430
are footing the bill have access to the

2161
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:22,950
data well here's something that's always

2162
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:25,650
puzzled me and it leads me to a question

2163
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:28,530
by one of our oldest posters at forum

2164
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,100
dr. Peric ask.com pixels Smith and he

2165
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:34,560
wants to know if you are aware of Allen

2166
01:41:40,820 --> 01:41:39,060
sturms ebook titled the UL OS and he

2167
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:40,830
brings up the whole subject of transient

2168
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:43,650
lunar phenomena which have been reported

2169
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:43,860
all

2170
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:47,100
the way back hundreds of years since we

2171
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:50,610
first really Galileo and and subsequent

2172
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,530
early astronomers of course one of the

2173
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:54,000
first things that they looked at was the

2174
01:41:59,390 --> 01:41:56,970
moon and we have case after case after

2175
01:42:03,770 --> 01:41:59,400
case after case of astronomers observing

2176
01:42:05,420 --> 01:42:03,780
strange lot flashes objects seeming to

2177
01:42:07,780 --> 01:42:05,430
transit across the face of the moon

2178
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:07,790
where do you come down on that whole

2179
01:42:14,270 --> 01:42:11,520
very puzzling phenomenon oh yes

2180
01:42:17,180 --> 01:42:14,280
transient moment of unquestionably exist

2181
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:17,190
one of the people who has documented

2182
01:42:22,580 --> 01:42:20,250
them as much as anybody is the English

2183
01:42:26,540 --> 01:42:22,590
astronomer Patrick Moore and in the

2184
01:42:29,630 --> 01:42:26,550
course of my I work for the BBC I I came

2185
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:29,640
to know Patrick pretty well and in fact

2186
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:33,210
he and I went to Moscow together for the

2187
01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:36,570
report on the Soviet so the so-called

2188
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:39,150
Lunokhod which was which was a remote

2189
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:41,970
vehicle on the moon the yes Patrick has

2190
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:44,940
documented these strange flashing lights

2191
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:48,030
all over the moon and they don't seem to

2192
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:51,480
be corrupting them in the seas or the

2193
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:54,510
Highlands there are all kinds of

2194
01:42:59,950 --> 01:42:57,090
different places and they are mysterious

2195
01:43:02,810 --> 01:42:59,960
they they've been ascribed to outgassing

2196
01:43:06,530 --> 01:43:02,820
but you know that that doesn't sound

2197
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:06,540
terribly convincing to me actually so I

2198
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:07,410
don't know what they are they're

2199
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:10,770
definitely interesting as for eros I do

2200
01:43:16,610 --> 01:43:13,710
know about that but but I've read about

2201
01:43:18,260 --> 01:43:16,620
that in my Paris book ancient aliens on

2202
01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:18,270
the moon there you go Mike I've plugged

2203
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:21,780
it again at the end of chapter 9 he

2204
01:43:26,750 --> 01:43:24,300
actually talks about that book and he

2205
01:43:31,670 --> 01:43:26,760
shows a picture or what he calls a power

2206
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:31,680
station which came from that book he

2207
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:35,280
says I can't look up the quote right now

2208
01:43:40,190 --> 01:43:37,800
but he says something like he had wanted

2209
01:43:42,980 --> 01:43:40,200
this to be a much bigger part of his own

2210
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:42,990
book about the author didn't want that

2211
01:43:49,580 --> 01:43:45,930
so that it was a we read was reduced to

2212
01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:49,590
a kind of footnote what about objects

2213
01:43:55,340 --> 01:43:52,500
that have been seen seemingly to go

2214
01:43:56,290 --> 01:43:55,350
across the face of the Moon I I know

2215
01:44:00,129 --> 01:43:56,300
there's men

2216
01:44:02,430 --> 01:44:00,139
dozens of astronomical observations that

2217
01:44:05,229 --> 01:44:02,440
have seen what appeared to be craft

2218
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:05,239
flying across in front of the moon even

2219
01:44:11,950 --> 01:44:09,170
groups of objects and those there's just

2220
01:44:13,419 --> 01:44:11,960
I've seen a list somewhere it kind of

2221
01:44:16,510 --> 01:44:13,429
escapes me right now but I've seen a

2222
01:44:21,939 --> 01:44:16,520
very impressive list of many pages of of

2223
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:21,949
observations from the 1617 1800s 1919

2224
01:44:28,899 --> 01:44:25,760
20th century of these unexplained

2225
01:44:30,189 --> 01:44:28,909
transients across the moon well all I

2226
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:30,199
would say about that is that they were

2227
01:44:35,140 --> 01:44:32,690
unexplained I don't think we can go any

2228
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:35,150
further than that well where do you come

2229
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:38,960
down on the whole subject to UFOs you

2230
01:44:43,419 --> 01:44:40,639
know obviously UFO is a very generic

2231
01:44:45,850 --> 01:44:43,429
sort of blanket term but do you feel

2232
01:44:47,770 --> 01:44:45,860
that there are structured craft flying

2233
01:44:51,010 --> 01:44:47,780
around in our atmosphere that we can't

2234
01:44:54,810 --> 01:44:51,020
explain as being terrestrial let's say

2235
01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:54,820
or being under some sort of human

2236
01:45:01,569 --> 01:44:58,630
intelligent control I mean you

2237
01:45:04,569 --> 01:45:01,579
befriended many people over the years

2238
01:45:06,700 --> 01:45:04,579
and in the you know the scientific

2239
01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:06,710
community and in the space programs and

2240
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:08,540
stuff I mean where where do you come

2241
01:45:11,890 --> 01:45:10,159
down personally on this he's gonna give

2242
01:45:14,859 --> 01:45:11,900
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2243
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2290
01:48:07,989 --> 01:48:05,300
expat our guest this week was asked by

2291
01:48:10,839 --> 01:48:07,999
Chris about UFOs

2292
01:48:12,699 --> 01:48:10,849
what say you well of course the easy

2293
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:12,709
answer from the scientific point of view

2294
01:48:18,069 --> 01:48:15,320
is the the one that Carl Sagan gave a

2295
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:18,079
long time ago he said UFOs are by

2296
01:48:25,569 --> 01:48:22,729
definition unexplained and therefore we

2297
01:48:28,029 --> 01:48:25,579
with there is there is no point in in

2298
01:48:30,699 --> 01:48:28,039
going there unidentified sorry excuse me

2299
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:30,709
I didn't mean unexplained I'm identified

2300
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:32,570
and therefore since there I'm identified

2301
01:48:37,540 --> 01:48:34,610
that's the end of the story so far as

2302
01:48:40,449 --> 01:48:37,550
science is concerned well Christmas is

2303
01:48:42,219 --> 01:48:40,459
not my subject at all I must say but I

2304
01:48:45,939 --> 01:48:42,229
can comment a bit

2305
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:45,949
it's obviously understandable that

2306
01:48:50,919 --> 01:48:47,689
people would try to have a guess at what

2307
01:48:52,839 --> 01:48:50,929
these things are obviously also I think

2308
01:48:55,719 --> 01:48:52,849
of what he would agree that some of them

2309
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,729
a proportion of them have a natural

2310
01:49:02,080 --> 01:48:58,280
explanation and a proportion of them

2311
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:02,090
don't to the extent that people allege a

2312
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:06,169
cover-up I can kind of understand that

2313
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:09,010
if some of them are actually secret

2314
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:12,050
aircraft that are in development and

2315
01:49:16,389 --> 01:49:14,239
they're not they're not classified then

2316
01:49:20,129 --> 01:49:16,399
those would of course be covered up and

2317
01:49:24,129 --> 01:49:20,139
that might very well explain the circled

2318
01:49:26,679 --> 01:49:24,139
silent triangles that are bough and

2319
01:49:29,469 --> 01:49:26,689
other people have seen now one more

2320
01:49:32,649 --> 01:49:29,479
comment as I say it's not really my

2321
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:32,659
subject but to me the least convincing

2322
01:49:40,139 --> 01:49:37,010
evidence of UFOs is the stuff that was

2323
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:40,149
shot from a space shuttle showing

2324
01:49:47,199 --> 01:49:44,090
particles that doing strange things

2325
01:49:49,709 --> 01:49:47,209
accurately aerobatic going at right

2326
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:49,719
angles suddenly reversing direction

2327
01:49:55,319 --> 01:49:53,090
these are completely easily explained by

2328
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:55,329
the fact that all spacecraft are

2329
01:50:02,370 --> 01:49:58,400
accompanied by particles bits

2330
01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:02,380
of moisture to do with the dumping of

2331
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:06,409
human waste overboard and this is quite

2332
01:50:11,110 --> 01:50:08,810
easily explained James Oberg has done a

2333
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:11,120
brilliant job with this you should look

2334
01:50:15,850 --> 01:50:12,320
you should look at James F Byrnes

2335
01:50:17,410 --> 01:50:15,860
website he's he's written thousands and

2336
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:17,420
thousands of words about this and

2337
01:50:24,010 --> 01:50:20,690
they're in the fara from a very expert

2338
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:24,020
perspective this leads me to a whole

2339
01:50:31,180 --> 01:50:28,070
slew of questions from blade boy who is

2340
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:31,190
a fairly recent addition to our posting

2341
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,010
family at forum dr. Peric ask.com he's

2342
01:50:37,540 --> 01:50:35,840
got a bunch of really good questions

2343
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:37,550
here and let me just start off with his

2344
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:40,010
first one what is your opinion of the

2345
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:42,530
appetite within major news organizations

2346
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:45,170
to deliver impartial information on

2347
01:50:51,340 --> 01:50:48,050
space and the possibility of life the

2348
01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:51,350
BBC strives for impartiality often

2349
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:53,480
facing allegations of favoritism from

2350
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:55,520
many aspects of the political spectrum

2351
01:50:59,530 --> 01:50:57,770
in doing so but did this ever become a

2352
01:51:03,490 --> 01:50:59,540
problem with any of the documentaries

2353
01:51:06,459 --> 01:51:03,500
you were involved in or perhaps your

2354
01:51:08,380 --> 01:51:06,469
knowledge do your network appears it

2355
01:51:15,130 --> 01:51:08,390
didn't exactly become a problem the way

2356
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,140
that he's he's put that question I did

2357
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:17,840
have a political problem with a show

2358
01:51:25,570 --> 01:51:21,710
that I did called the peace game which

2359
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:25,580
was which was a crisis game involving an

2360
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:30,130
examination of how NATO would respond to

2361
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,290
provocation from the Soviet Union this

2362
01:51:39,310 --> 01:51:35,360
was in them still in the time of a cold

2363
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:39,320
war I was warned off taking a certain

2364
01:51:47,229 --> 01:51:43,760
line in that in the script of that

2365
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:47,239
program by the by the by the Foreign

2366
01:51:51,790 --> 01:51:50,570
Office and that was pretty really nasty

2367
01:51:54,340 --> 01:51:51,800
because the Foreign Office is not

2368
01:51:57,820 --> 01:51:54,350
supposed to interfere with the BBC

2369
01:52:01,899 --> 01:51:57,830
domestic television service they they

2370
01:52:04,899 --> 01:52:01,909
own the BBC overseas service and they

2371
01:52:07,780 --> 01:52:04,909
are welcome to control that they're not

2372
01:52:10,220 --> 01:52:07,790
supposed to interfere with the BBC

2373
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:10,230
domestic television service

2374
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:13,850
that particular case they did I was

2375
01:52:20,030 --> 01:52:16,170
appalled actually I think I should have

2376
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:20,040
resigned but I did do a bunch of other

2377
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:24,090
questions that has as interest

2378
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,130
waned in the later Apollo missions

2379
01:52:30,260 --> 01:52:28,320
didn't ask for themselves contemplate

2380
01:52:32,450 --> 01:52:30,270
more extraordinary missions to try and

2381
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,460
maintain a rekindle interest in the

2382
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:35,040
Apollo missions and that leads to a

2383
01:52:40,190 --> 01:52:37,650
whole slew of questions about about

2384
01:52:43,490 --> 01:52:40,200
manned space flight in the 21st century

2385
01:52:45,650 --> 01:52:43,500
but did you ever hear of any sort of

2386
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:45,660
ideas that were being bannard about to

2387
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:49,380
try to get rekindle sort of interest

2388
01:52:54,050 --> 01:52:51,330
because after about the third or fourth

2389
01:52:56,750 --> 01:52:54,060
Apollo mission you know it became

2390
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,760
mundane and routine I remember thinking

2391
01:53:02,300 --> 01:52:58,980
how could people not be excited by this

2392
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:02,310
but you know it was relegated to you

2393
01:53:07,670 --> 01:53:05,850
know page 2 page 3 stories um well how

2394
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:07,680
you can say if you want to be really

2395
01:53:14,780 --> 01:53:11,190
cynical that Apollo 13 was what

2396
01:53:16,610 --> 01:53:14,790
rekindled interest because as we all

2397
01:53:18,970 --> 01:53:16,620
know it blew up on the weight of the

2398
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:18,980
Moon and there was any by a miracle that

2399
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:22,980
Jim Lovell and his crew were saved that

2400
01:53:29,690 --> 01:53:25,770
definitely rekindled interest but that

2401
01:53:32,090 --> 01:53:29,700
if that wasn't intentional no I didn't

2402
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:32,100
drive like I'd like to say that I think

2403
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:35,820
not many people realize what an enormous

2404
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:38,880
fight developed within NASA about the

2405
01:53:44,810 --> 01:53:41,810
cancellation of Apollo's 18 19 and 20

2406
01:53:50,420 --> 01:53:44,820
they were cancelled really for political

2407
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:50,430
reasons and they were cancelled certain

2408
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,010
senior people in NASA acquiesced to that

2409
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,040
and that the allegation of the time was

2410
01:54:01,400 --> 01:53:59,040
that they were basically just scared

2411
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:01,410
that the time would come that they would

2412
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:04,350
lose a crew that they wouldn't be able

2413
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:07,830
to cope with that so they they agreed to

2414
01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:10,170
the political cancellation of Apollo's

2415
01:54:17,300 --> 01:54:14,460
18 19 20 basically because they were

2416
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:17,310
scared and that was the opinion or of

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01:54:21,590 --> 01:54:20,040
senior astronauts I know that that

2418
01:54:23,149 --> 01:54:21,600
because I interviewed them and they told

2419
01:54:25,459 --> 01:54:23,159
me this so

2420
01:54:28,850 --> 01:54:25,469
it was quite a fight about that that I'd

2421
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,860
but I don't know of any extraordinary

2422
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:30,239
airy-fairy

2423
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:33,570
mission plans snow did that take the

2424
01:54:41,379 --> 01:54:35,369
fire out of the space program fell back

2425
01:54:44,689 --> 01:54:41,389
decision yes the man's a sly yeah I mean

2426
01:54:46,359 --> 01:54:44,699
maybe but but we've got we forged ahead

2427
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:46,369
with unmanned stuff big time

2428
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:50,010
sure land space fighting has been

2429
01:54:57,469 --> 01:54:53,689
spectacular absolutely now it was a

2430
01:54:59,659 --> 01:54:57,479
problem because it it led to basically a

2431
01:55:01,939 --> 01:54:59,669
lot of Apollo astronauts losing their

2432
01:55:05,029 --> 01:55:01,949
missions there were people who trained

2433
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:05,039
for years and years and years who

2434
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:07,110
confidently expected to be on those

2435
01:55:13,279 --> 01:55:10,169
missions they were told sorry sorry boys

2436
01:55:17,029 --> 01:55:13,289
I think you're not gonna fly it was it

2437
01:55:20,839 --> 01:55:17,039
was a very big deal this is uh leads to

2438
01:55:23,089 --> 01:55:20,849
another question what are the best or

2439
01:55:27,259 --> 01:55:23,099
most interesting rumors or conjectures

2440
01:55:30,020 --> 01:55:27,269
around manned space flight that you've

2441
01:55:35,390 --> 01:55:30,030
been hearing maybe scuttlebutt is there

2442
01:55:37,759 --> 01:55:35,400
any hope for the early 21st century for

2443
01:55:40,850 --> 01:55:37,769
a manned space flight I mean what are we

2444
01:55:44,359 --> 01:55:40,860
looking at India China I mean the u.s.

2445
01:55:47,959 --> 01:55:44,369
is almost out of out of the game I'm a

2446
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:47,969
bit of a fan for the Baba's mission I

2447
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:52,050
must say actually initially I I was in

2448
01:55:58,129 --> 01:55:55,530
favor of a return to the moon and the

2449
01:56:02,810 --> 01:55:58,139
establishment of a permanent base on the

2450
01:56:07,310 --> 01:56:02,820
moon but there was a commission set up

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01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:07,320
by by the the Obama administration I

2452
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:09,209
forget the name of the Commission they

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01:56:14,689 --> 01:56:11,010
say what they were asked to study all

2454
01:56:18,319 --> 01:56:14,699
these options and as a result of their

2455
01:56:22,429 --> 01:56:18,329
report the man returned to the moon

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01:56:23,870 --> 01:56:22,439
really was next and I became convinced

2457
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:23,880
by that I think that was the right

2458
01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:26,239
decision I don't think there's enough

2459
01:56:32,750 --> 01:56:30,510
percentage in going to the moon

2460
01:56:35,509 --> 01:56:32,760
it will be lovely if we could go to Mars

2461
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:35,519
but there's a huge problem with with a

2462
01:56:39,260 --> 01:56:36,840
manned mission too

2463
01:56:41,780 --> 01:56:39,270
that is if you want to come home again

2464
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:41,790
you've got to take a huge rocket with

2465
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:45,060
you it's not like taking off from the

2466
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moon when they took off in that little

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tiny lunar module yeah it's it's gotta

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01:56:56,270 --> 01:56:53,489
be a two-way trip it can't be a one-way

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01:56:59,090 --> 01:56:56,280
trip unless you have some kamikaze

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pilots well you know that has been

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discussed I bet yeah baby are those

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something that obviously would function

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as a PR but of course I'm sure they're

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people who would like to send me on the

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one-way mission to the moon to the moon

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to the moon Alice

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channeling his inner Charley Weaver no

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that's really too old to joked and

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nobody remembers who cliff Arquette was

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but he was a guy who always played the

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old man the kind of cranky old man

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character I'm Chris Darlie Weaver god I

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haven't heard that name in a while cliff

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02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:19,190
Arquette and of course we know about the

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children and the grandchildren of cliff

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02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:24,679
Arquette well I've got a whole bunch of

2572
02:02:29,740 --> 02:02:26,570
really good questions here from

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02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:29,750
and I want to just put a you know shout

2574
02:02:35,379 --> 02:02:31,610
out to him for coming up with so many

2575
02:02:37,479 --> 02:02:35,389
great questions here and he asked do you

2576
02:02:40,359 --> 02:02:37,489
agree with Stephen Hawking that humans

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02:02:42,879 --> 02:02:40,369
are only going to survive by moving out

2578
02:02:44,830 --> 02:02:42,889
into outer space and will this be the

2579
02:02:47,439 --> 02:02:44,840
underlying driver within academic

2580
02:02:50,589 --> 02:02:47,449
circles for progressing spaceflight is

2581
02:02:52,359 --> 02:02:50,599
in and I add my own little caveat do we

2582
02:02:54,339 --> 02:02:52,369
are we dealing with some sort of

2583
02:02:57,069 --> 02:02:54,349
evolutionary imperative to get us off

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02:02:59,049 --> 02:02:57,079
the planet to seed the the galaxy

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02:03:01,839 --> 02:02:59,059
because we know the sun's gonna go

2586
02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:01,849
supernova and asteroids gonna hit do you

2587
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:04,400
think that the powers that be and the

2588
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:07,280
purse strings holders are thinking along

2589
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:09,710
these lines well the short answer is no

2590
02:03:14,259 --> 02:03:11,840
I didn't I didn't agree with Hawking's

2591
02:03:17,470 --> 02:03:14,269
view but then think that that's the only

2592
02:03:19,540 --> 02:03:17,480
way to summarize thing when a survive is

2593
02:03:23,950 --> 02:03:19,550
to become more intelligent and to stop

2594
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:23,960
fighting wars with each other I mean

2595
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,050
good answer I'd want to mention one

2596
02:03:34,089 --> 02:03:30,800
rather fanciful idea which I ascribed to

2597
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:34,099
I I think it was the same astronomer

2598
02:03:41,020 --> 02:03:37,760
Patrick Moore I mentioned who said that

2599
02:03:42,910 --> 02:03:41,030
all of humankind's achievements are

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02:03:46,509 --> 02:03:42,920
really the inventions of the DNA

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02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:46,519
molecule the DNA molecule once it was

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02:03:51,970 --> 02:03:49,610
unless it was first made the sort ways

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02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:51,980
in which to distribute itself more and

2604
02:03:57,729 --> 02:03:55,010
more widely throughout the throughout

2605
02:04:00,310 --> 02:03:57,739
the earth and of course by it did that

2606
02:04:03,399 --> 02:04:00,320
by creating more on different organisms

2607
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:03,409
that could live in the oceans and on

2608
02:04:08,939 --> 02:04:06,170
mountains or in Antarctica and the

2609
02:04:13,149 --> 02:04:08,949
latest invention of the DNA molecule is

2610
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:13,159
the human being and the technology to

2611
02:04:18,220 --> 02:04:15,440
take it off them off the surface of the

2612
02:04:22,060 --> 02:04:18,230
earth altogether that's that's a rather

2613
02:04:24,370 --> 02:04:22,070
intriguing and philosophical idea yeah

2614
02:04:28,209 --> 02:04:24,380
what do you think Jane well if we're

2615
02:04:30,669 --> 02:04:28,219
destined to go out there why aren't we

2616
02:04:32,589 --> 02:04:30,679
yeah it's doe it's it's all budgetary

2617
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:32,599
but you would think I mean with the

2618
02:04:36,850 --> 02:04:34,400
amount of money that we'd spend killing

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02:04:39,459 --> 02:04:36,860
each other and starving each other and

2620
02:04:41,879 --> 02:04:39,469
if we could apply just a fraction of

2621
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:41,889
that money to further our scientific

2622
02:04:46,060 --> 02:04:44,510
explorations out in space I think I

2623
02:04:48,370 --> 02:04:46,070
think it would serve mankind a lot

2624
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:48,380
better instead of the armament companies

2625
02:04:53,919 --> 02:04:50,719
and oh my god Jean I'm getting political

2626
02:04:55,779 --> 02:04:53,929
again oh stop me stop me okay you want

2627
02:04:57,580 --> 02:04:55,789
real slap I'm gonna give you this slap

2628
02:05:01,989 --> 02:04:57,590
on the head they do on the TV show and

2629
02:05:04,899 --> 02:05:01,999
see is I may say that that's that is

2630
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:04,909
you're spouting one of Richard Hoagland

2631
02:05:10,299 --> 02:05:07,400
sore ends there and there that there is

2632
02:05:13,870 --> 02:05:10,309
something that he says that I actually

2633
02:05:15,609 --> 02:05:13,880
agree with him that it's penny-pinching

2634
02:05:18,850 --> 02:05:15,619
to worry about the cost of spaceflight

2635
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:18,860
which is such a tiny proportion of the

2636
02:05:24,669 --> 02:05:21,170
defense budget but it's pretty much

2637
02:05:27,640 --> 02:05:24,679
coffee money to the generals who who

2638
02:05:28,959 --> 02:05:27,650
live by killing other people yes but it

2639
02:05:30,939 --> 02:05:28,969
means they have to kill a few less

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02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:30,949
people they have to kill a few less

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02:05:37,229 --> 02:05:32,960
people in sell a few less tanks

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02:05:41,140 --> 02:05:37,239
helicopters you know the munitions

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02:05:44,370 --> 02:05:41,150
rockets missiles all this to build a

2644
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:44,380
couple of Daisy cutters cluster bombs

2645
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:48,650
atmospheric barometric bombs these guys

2646
02:05:54,339 --> 02:05:51,530
boy you get a bunch of scientists with a

2647
02:05:55,569 --> 02:05:54,349
mandate and a bunch of money they're

2648
02:05:58,839 --> 02:05:55,579
gonna come up with all sorts of stuff

2649
02:06:00,040 --> 02:05:58,849
why not come up with a way to further

2650
02:06:03,970 --> 02:06:00,050
humankind

2651
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:03,980
knowledge and experiences of the cosmos

2652
02:06:09,250 --> 02:06:07,250
and maybe the destiny of humankind to go

2653
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:09,260
to the cosmos live long and prosper

2654
02:06:13,420 --> 02:06:12,110
amongst the Stars boldly go where no one

2655
02:06:15,610 --> 02:06:13,430
has gone before

2656
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:15,620
oh well here's another question from

2657
02:06:20,650 --> 02:06:18,290
what do you think XPath which

2658
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:20,660
will give us more bang for our buck back

2659
02:06:25,690 --> 02:06:23,360
to the moon or on tomorrow's on

2660
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:25,700
tomorrow's but I think for the reasons

2661
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:29,090
stated that we probably should stop

2662
02:06:35,770 --> 02:06:32,450
vamos that's because it's very easy

2663
02:06:39,070 --> 02:06:35,780
indeed to escape from for us it's it's

2664
02:06:42,220 --> 02:06:39,080
only about thirty kilometres across in

2665
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:42,230
fact the whole idea of landing on Phobos

2666
02:06:47,470 --> 02:06:44,000
is really perhaps the wrong word you

2667
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,480
should consider yourself to be attaching

2668
02:06:53,410 --> 02:06:49,760
to Phobos rather than landing on it

2669
02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:53,420
because it has its microgravity so it

2670
02:06:58,210 --> 02:06:55,490
would solve that problem and we mean we

2671
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,220
would have a a stable platform from

2672
02:07:04,030 --> 02:07:01,280
which to observe Mars underneath us but

2673
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:04,040
as I say there's there has been serious

2674
02:07:10,210 --> 02:07:06,890
thought to the one-way trip people who

2675
02:07:13,290 --> 02:07:10,220
would volunteer to go to Mars trip

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02:07:19,300 --> 02:07:13,300
around and when they ran out of oxygen

2677
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:19,310
said say good night night Alice okay

2678
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:22,130
that's kind of modeling but moving

2679
02:07:26,050 --> 02:07:24,170
rather morbid but you have to think

2680
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:26,060
that's the kind of mission that would

2681
02:07:30,370 --> 02:07:27,530
never sell or what they would do of

2682
02:07:32,650 --> 02:07:30,380
course is they would chalk it up to

2683
02:07:35,460 --> 02:07:32,660
being an accident they say sure we plan

2684
02:07:39,790 --> 02:07:35,470
to bring these people back but something

2685
02:07:41,980 --> 02:07:39,800
sad went wrong they couldn't do that it

2686
02:07:45,310 --> 02:07:41,990
would be absolutely totally obvious to

2687
02:07:48,070 --> 02:07:45,320
anybody who understands spaceflight just

2688
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:48,080
simply looking at the size of the of the

2689
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:50,030
spacecraft they were sending you could

2690
02:07:53,620 --> 02:07:51,530
tell immediately whether there was any

2691
02:07:55,420 --> 02:07:53,630
possibility of coming back or not they

2692
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couldn't get away with it unless someone

2693
02:08:01,240 --> 02:07:58,910
was there to just accept it I agree

2694
02:08:02,890 --> 02:08:01,250
there's no way they get away with that

2695
02:08:05,410 --> 02:08:02,900
we'd have to find ways if we want to go

2696
02:08:07,180 --> 02:08:05,420
really to Mars to get them there and get

2697
02:08:09,580 --> 02:08:07,190
them back and develop the technology

2698
02:08:12,260 --> 02:08:09,590
maybe we will develop warp drive there's

2699
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one you were asking about

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the things that are that are kind of in

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the pipeline rumors conjectures of

2702
02:08:24,650 --> 02:08:21,000
moment and I'm this one that I like and

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that apparently that Marshall Space

2704
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Flight Center they're studying a

2705
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efficient engine this would be an

2706
02:08:37,209 --> 02:08:32,790
enormously efficient engine that would

2707
02:08:40,430 --> 02:08:37,219
work by controlled nuclear efficient

2708
02:08:44,959 --> 02:08:40,440
excuse me I think I mean a fusion engine

2709
02:08:47,209 --> 02:08:44,969
but not fission this is this is the the

2710
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technology of a hydrogen bomb but tamed

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02:08:51,290 --> 02:08:49,950
and it would make such an enormous ly

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efficient

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rocket engine that you could go to Mars

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in half the time be great if that

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happened would it have a power that kind

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of aircraft to be able to take people

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back from Mars well the mathematics

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02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:11,790
works out right you see the problem with

2719
02:09:18,070 --> 02:09:15,330
a high-speed journey to Mars is that you

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need to expend just as much energy

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02:09:23,630 --> 02:09:20,610
slowing yourself down in order to be

2722
02:09:26,209 --> 02:09:23,640
captured by Mars gravity as you did to

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speed up in the first place so that's

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extremely wasteful not to mention also

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escaping the gravity of Mars on your

2726
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return trip as well yeah that's a

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different problem but I think the thing

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about this a fusion engine is that it's

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so incredibly efficient that you you no

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longer care that you've wasted all that

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energy speeding up in order to or just

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expend more energy to slow yourself down

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again the great as I say great the

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mathematics are there they work but it's

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not it's not a reality yet well maybe

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fascinating show and I do not think

2849
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we're going to be sued Chris by Richard

2850
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:03,820
Hoagland or Mike Berra they won't like

2851
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us very much I might open eyes my lawyer

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doesn't deserve any of my money I try to

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make it so that he doesn't have to even

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think about that so well I know that if

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the lawyer sends me a bill I just put it

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atop the other bills do you feel like

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getting into the Hogan Berra theories

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02:15:30,779 --> 02:15:27,489
about how NASA worships Egyptian gods

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02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:30,789
why not yeah I didn't want to go there

2860
02:15:35,790 --> 02:15:33,340
but since you brought it up go for the

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gusto let's go for the gusto and then we

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probably will have time for some more

2863
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questions I know we have a bunch yeah

2864
02:15:45,979 --> 02:15:42,340
again this is something that I've

2865
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blogged about many times and the is just

2866
02:15:52,350 --> 02:15:49,409
it's a complete comedy to me what

2867
02:15:55,549 --> 02:15:52,360
Richard Hammond and Mike Mehra say is as

2868
02:16:00,209 --> 02:15:55,559
follows that there are senior people in

2869
02:16:05,279 --> 02:16:00,219
NASA who want to pay homage to the

2870
02:16:08,969 --> 02:16:05,289
Egyptian gods Isis Osiris and Horus and

2871
02:16:12,209 --> 02:16:08,979
they do this by means of worshipping the

2872
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:12,219
proxies of those gods and then which are

2873
02:16:20,279 --> 02:16:15,489
the stars serious that Sirius stands for

2874
02:16:23,850 --> 02:16:20,289
Isis Regulus stands for Horus and the

2875
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:23,860
three belt stars of Orion only tackle

2876
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:27,570
dilemma and Mintaka stand for Osiris

2877
02:16:35,269 --> 02:16:32,170
okay so that's five stars and they say

2878
02:16:39,059 --> 02:16:35,279
that these senior NASA officials

2879
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:39,069
actually fix it so that the major

2880
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:40,960
mission events like launches and

2881
02:16:48,450 --> 02:16:44,920
landings happen only when any of those

2882
02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:48,460
five stars is at any of five

2883
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:51,969
evasions as seen from some places as to

2884
02:16:56,759 --> 02:16:54,250
when to the mission where as five

2885
02:16:59,459 --> 02:16:56,769
elevations are minus thirty-three

2886
02:17:03,419 --> 02:16:59,469
degrees minus nineteen point five

2887
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:03,429
degrees zero nineteen point five and

2888
02:17:11,490 --> 02:17:07,570
thirty three so they say any of those

2889
02:17:13,950 --> 02:17:11,500
five stars should be on any here for

2890
02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:13,960
those five any of those five elevations

2891
02:17:22,020 --> 02:17:17,710
in order to to justify what they say is

2892
02:17:25,620 --> 02:17:22,030
an obsessive relentless campaign on on

2893
02:17:29,360 --> 02:17:25,630
the part of these NASA officials Richard

2894
02:17:32,850 --> 02:17:29,370
Hoagland used those words relentless and

2895
02:17:35,850 --> 02:17:32,860
obsessive as a campaign if it's not

2896
02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:35,860
relentless and obsessive well we can

2897
02:17:41,129 --> 02:17:39,250
test this right okay we can look in fact

2898
02:17:44,969 --> 02:17:41,139
Richard Hoagland published what he

2899
02:17:48,750 --> 02:17:44,979
called a table of coincidence on his

2900
02:17:52,500 --> 02:17:48,760
website which listed the the emission

2901
02:17:56,640 --> 02:17:52,510
events that he felt were qualified under

2902
02:17:59,850 --> 02:17:56,650
this theory he'd go through it program

2903
02:18:02,790 --> 02:17:59,860
by program the Ranger program that was

2904
02:18:05,820 --> 02:18:02,800
lead out the early lunar unmanned

2905
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:05,830
program there were no qualified events

2906
02:18:12,839 --> 02:18:08,969
the surveyor program no qualified events

2907
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:12,849
the Mercury program no qualified events

2908
02:18:20,730 --> 02:18:16,510
the Gemini program no qualified events

2909
02:18:23,540 --> 02:18:20,740
the Apollo program for so that is four

2910
02:18:27,150 --> 02:18:23,550
hits out of two hundred and twenty three

2911
02:18:29,549 --> 02:18:27,160
possible opportunities which makes one

2912
02:18:31,890 --> 02:18:29,559
point eight percent I don't think this

2913
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:31,900
is very good data well it doesn't really

2914
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:36,450
put in any sort of case for an occult

2915
02:18:43,250 --> 02:18:41,290
angle to mission planning if if we're

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dealing with such a small percentage of

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02:18:51,060 --> 02:18:48,540
missions that fit into their theory I

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always scratch my head and thought and

2919
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:54,190
thought that that was fuzzy logic for

2920
02:18:59,790 --> 02:18:58,090
lack of a better term but you know again

2921
02:19:01,480 --> 02:18:59,800
it comes back to that whole idea of

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having to come up with new and

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02:19:04,900 --> 02:19:02,720
different things to keep the career

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going don't you think well you know it

2925
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gets better

2926
02:19:12,850 --> 02:19:08,210
more on with in the in the space shuttle

2927
02:19:16,510 --> 02:19:12,860
program there were 135 launches very

2928
02:19:20,380 --> 02:19:16,520
sadly only 123 landings how many of

2929
02:19:24,100 --> 02:19:20,390
those conformed to this idea of Egyptian

2930
02:19:27,700 --> 02:19:24,110
god worship the only one that richard

2931
02:19:30,700 --> 02:19:27,710
hoagland has stated as conforming was

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02:19:33,940 --> 02:19:30,710
the launcher of sts-88 which was back in

2933
02:19:38,380 --> 02:19:33,950
december 1998 when he says that the

2934
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planet mars was an a' at an elevation of

2935
02:19:44,470 --> 02:19:40,310
minus three point three three degrees

2936
02:19:47,530 --> 02:19:44,480
has seen from Phoenix okay that fails to

2937
02:19:49,450 --> 02:19:47,540
qualify on four separate grounds first

2938
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:49,460
of all it uses the planet Mars which is

2939
02:19:55,330 --> 02:19:52,880
not one of their five stars secondly it

2940
02:19:57,400 --> 02:19:55,340
uses the elevation minus three point

2941
02:20:02,051 --> 02:19:57,410
three three degrees which is not one of

2942
02:20:04,450 --> 02:20:02,061
their ritual elevations thirdly it reads

2943
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:04,460
the view from Phoenix which has nothing

2944
02:20:11,440 --> 02:20:08,450
to do with the mission and fourthly it

2945
02:20:13,511 --> 02:20:11,450
uses the launch time actually happened

2946
02:20:14,290 --> 02:20:13,521
as opposed to the launch time that was

2947
02:20:17,890 --> 02:20:14,300
planned

2948
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:17,900
now Richard Hoagland has agreed that it

2949
02:20:22,950 --> 02:20:20,570
only applies to the launch time as

2950
02:20:26,250 --> 02:20:22,960
planned because quite obviously these

2951
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:26,260
occult worshipers of Egyptian gods

2952
02:20:32,171 --> 02:20:29,210
cannot take account of the many many

2953
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:32,181
launch delays first they can't predict

2954
02:20:37,660 --> 02:20:34,570
anything that accurately right of course

2955
02:20:40,930 --> 02:20:37,670
so therefore that one is disqualified

2956
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:40,940
also you know when I listen to this my

2957
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:43,730
mind is boggling over the elaborate

2958
02:20:47,980 --> 02:20:46,250
scenarios are being created to

2959
02:20:50,650 --> 02:20:47,990
demonstrate occult connections with

2960
02:20:52,810 --> 02:20:50,660
anything and why do we need to do that

2961
02:20:54,940 --> 02:20:52,820
can't even see the reasoning behind it

2962
02:20:57,490 --> 02:20:54,950
gene I've mentioned this on the show

2963
02:21:00,000 --> 02:20:57,500
before I one of the few times that I

2964
02:21:03,850 --> 02:21:00,010
tuned into coast-to-coast was after the

2965
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:03,860
Phoenix lights you know event that

2966
02:21:12,910 --> 02:21:07,760
occurred second week of March was in

2967
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:12,920
1997 and Hoagland had a huge turnout a

2968
02:21:16,740 --> 02:21:14,650
whole auditorium

2969
02:21:19,770 --> 02:21:16,750
of people that paid a lot of money to

2970
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:19,780
sit and listen to him in he introduced

2971
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:23,650
Vance Davis of the Gulf Breeze six as

2972
02:21:29,850 --> 02:21:28,000
his Masonic scholar and this is about

2973
02:21:34,580 --> 02:21:29,860
the time I think when he started going

2974
02:21:39,980 --> 02:21:34,590
into this whole occult twist to his his

2975
02:21:42,270 --> 02:21:39,990
well I use the word loosely research but

2976
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:42,280
if anybody out there in the audience

2977
02:21:47,841 --> 02:21:44,170
knows about Vance Davis and the Ouija

2978
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:47,851
board scenario with the Gulf Breeze six

2979
02:21:53,070 --> 02:21:51,610
or was it seven I'm not sure I'm gonna

2980
02:21:55,530 --> 02:21:53,080
kind of put it out of my mind

2981
02:21:57,660 --> 02:21:55,540
um it just doesn't make sense to me an

2982
02:22:00,450 --> 02:21:57,670
expat well what do you think is this

2983
02:22:03,960 --> 02:22:00,460
just grandstanding I mean what do you

2984
02:22:06,990 --> 02:22:03,970
attribute this to this was in fact one

2985
02:22:09,150 --> 02:22:07,000
of the the things that brought the

2986
02:22:10,980 --> 02:22:09,160
Richard Hoagland to my attention on back

2987
02:22:14,030 --> 02:22:10,990
in the old days without bound on

2988
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:14,040
coast-to-coast am when he mentioned this

2989
02:22:19,980 --> 02:22:16,720
ritual worship of the Egyptian gods

2990
02:22:21,870 --> 02:22:19,990
that's I kind of remember sitting bolt

2991
02:22:27,950 --> 02:22:21,880
upright in bed saying this man is

2992
02:22:31,490 --> 02:22:27,960
absolutely crazy it is to do with a

2993
02:22:35,420 --> 02:22:31,500
geologist by the name of Farouk Elbaz

2994
02:22:40,620 --> 02:22:35,430
who was very influential in selecting

2995
02:22:44,910 --> 02:22:40,630
the Apollo landing sites for Raquel Paz

2996
02:22:48,660 --> 02:22:44,920
is Egyptian by birth and I think that

2997
02:22:51,030 --> 02:22:48,670
this is what somehow got to Richard

2998
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:51,040
Hoagland when he realized that the

2999
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Apollo landing sites were essentially

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02:23:00,450 --> 02:22:57,400
being selected by an Egyptian oh there

3001
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:00,460
has to be a conspiracy when you have an

3002
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:03,130
Egyptian there it just doesn't you know

3003
02:23:08,820 --> 02:23:05,650
I also wonder here whether we hit a

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02:23:11,341 --> 02:23:08,830
situation where people who like to tell

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tall tales which is of course the

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positions being taken here that they

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have to be bigger badder better every

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time so every time they tell a story

3009
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it's got to be a better story because

3010
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the audience is expecting something new

3011
02:23:24,210 --> 02:23:22,660
it's not that you just have the face on

3012
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Mars and you spend the rest of your life

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with us faced on Mars or the bridges on

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the moon or what

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is each time you do a lecture or at

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least every six months or every year

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people are expecting more and more

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revelations and sometimes those

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revelations get to be so eccentric that

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even those who might have accepted the

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reality of some of the initial claims

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suddenly find themselves wondering

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whether this is a bridge too far in the

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wrong direction Jean I very much agree

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you're one of the few people who do I

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think I think we saw very good example

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of that last year in all of the foofaraw

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about Comet Elenin

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you remember that sadly I don't or maybe

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I should be happy I don't remember folks

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para cast we have expat joining us with

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Jean and Chris you're in the para cast

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3136
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we have expat joining us former BBC

3137
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:50,340
producer covering the space programme

3138
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trying to provide what he regards as a

3139
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reality check to space mysteries the

3140
02:28:58,640 --> 02:28:56,250
final segment of the para cast with Jean

3141
02:29:00,410 --> 02:28:58,650
and Chris expat any more comments on

3142
02:29:04,130 --> 02:29:00,420
that before we clean up some more

3143
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questions well I just wanted to guess

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comment a little bit about about Comet

3145
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Elenin which is which was last year's

3146
02:29:21,011 --> 02:29:15,210
story Richard Hoagland was really really

3147
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in moment and all of it was absolute

3148
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nonsense absolute nonsense

3149
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he went into this huge pseudo

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statistical analysis of the orbit of

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this comet attempted to prove that in it

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was a six billion to one

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chance against it having the exact orbit

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that it did have all of that was

3155
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absolute nonsense yeah well it reminds

3156
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me of air Dame's innocently mentioning

3157
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the companion to Hale Bopp and then the

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whole Heaven's Gate thing just you know

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weird sort of no kind of reality show

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nightmare sort of unfolded with all

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those people killing themselves so that

3162
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they could go teleport the companion to

3163
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Hale Bopp and man I'll tell you some of

3164
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the stuff you really have to be careful

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if you're in the public eye there's a

3166
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lot of people out there that aren't

3167
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educated that are very gullible that

3168
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believe anything they hear and I think

3169
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people in the position of having some

3170
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sort of stature in the public eye should

3171
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really take that responsibility to heart

3172
02:30:39,310 --> 02:30:36,030
and realise this stuff can backfire

3173
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if you get too far ahead of yourself

3174
02:30:43,930 --> 02:30:42,090
well this this leads to a couple of

3175
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interesting questions about you

3176
02:30:51,610 --> 02:30:48,260
personally this again from Blade II boy

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02:30:54,020 --> 02:30:51,620
you're semi-retired now expat so

3178
02:30:56,001 --> 02:30:54,030
evidently you're working on another

3179
02:30:59,180 --> 02:30:56,011
project and I'm not sure what he's

3180
02:31:00,860 --> 02:30:59,190
referring to but he asked is this

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project something that may be of

3182
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interest to para cast listeners yeah I

3183
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don't know where he gets that from I'm

3184
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:09,480
not working on anything to do with space

3185
02:31:14,421 --> 02:31:11,090
I do

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technical authorship and technical

3187
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editing there are various clients in the

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in the high-tech business I do

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documentation for them I'm not I'm not

3190
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involved in anything other than my blog

3191
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which of course I'm not paid for what is

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the one thing that you hope for space

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you know in terms of space in your

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lifetime in what one thing will actually

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happen in the remaining years that you

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and me and gene have have left it it

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seems like we've kind of hit a bit of a

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dry spell alow definitely with manned

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spaceflight in the United States but for

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instance you think the Chinese the

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Indians and in other private space

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concerns of course we we know about

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Richard Branson we know about Robert

3204
02:32:05,511 --> 02:32:03,480
Bigelow and his space hotel what do you

3205
02:32:08,390 --> 02:32:05,521
see happening in the next couple couple

3206
02:32:11,421 --> 02:32:08,400
three decades is there any hope for for

3207
02:32:15,020 --> 02:32:11,431
Earthlings to hurl themselves out into

3208
02:32:17,740 --> 02:32:15,030
the great void well my hope would be

3209
02:32:21,140 --> 02:32:17,750
that we see a lander on Europa

3210
02:32:23,421 --> 02:32:21,150
you're up of the moon of Saturn which is

3211
02:32:26,810 --> 02:32:23,431
an icy moon and it's been suggested

3212
02:32:30,290 --> 02:32:26,820
there is a possibility of some kind of

3213
02:32:31,881 --> 02:32:30,300
life existing on Europa at one time

3214
02:32:35,240 --> 02:32:31,891
Richard Hoagland himself was a pretty

3215
02:32:37,580 --> 02:32:35,250
involved in that question it is a

3216
02:32:40,850 --> 02:32:37,590
possibility is some a lot of very good

3217
02:32:43,131 --> 02:32:40,860
science work has been done on that and

3218
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:43,141
that's something that personally I would

3219
02:32:48,290 --> 02:32:45,200
love to see but that's not going to be

3220
02:32:50,660 --> 02:32:48,300
Amanda mission at all that would would

3221
02:32:53,330 --> 02:32:50,670
not that's not possible it's going to be

3222
02:32:55,790 --> 02:32:53,340
unmanned the the Chinese are going to

3223
02:32:58,820 --> 02:32:55,800
land on the moon damn soon

3224
02:32:59,600 --> 02:32:58,830
yeah probably next year or something and

3225
02:33:01,881 --> 02:32:59,610
that'll be fun

3226
02:33:05,020 --> 02:33:01,891
and why should I work that with great

3227
02:33:07,729 --> 02:33:05,030
interest yeah me too I'll tell you to

3228
02:33:09,289 --> 02:33:07,739
2.3 billion Chinese are going to

3229
02:33:12,349 --> 02:33:09,299
right they're not gonna be wrong they're

3230
02:33:13,849 --> 02:33:12,359
gonna have a lot to do and have a lot of

3231
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:13,859
influence on what happens on this planet

3232
02:33:20,659 --> 02:33:18,810
the next few decades so what do you

3233
02:33:22,969 --> 02:33:20,669
think well is there hope for other

3234
02:33:24,939 --> 02:33:22,979
countries getting involved in space

3235
02:33:27,229 --> 02:33:24,949
exploration manned or otherwise

3236
02:33:31,099 --> 02:33:27,239
definitely the Chinese definitely the

3237
02:33:32,539 --> 02:33:31,109
Indians I'm not sure about the Russians

3238
02:33:35,809 --> 02:33:32,549
they didn't seem to have any money

3239
02:33:38,929 --> 02:33:35,819
they're a problem even worse than we are

3240
02:33:41,179 --> 02:33:38,939
and in that regard but who knows they

3241
02:33:44,179 --> 02:33:41,189
might they might come popping back up

3242
02:33:46,670 --> 02:33:44,189
again about the whole idea of private

3243
02:33:49,309 --> 02:33:46,680
the private sector taking over some of

3244
02:33:51,769 --> 02:33:49,319
the heavy lifting for Weaver furbishing

3245
02:33:53,929 --> 02:33:51,779
the space station and and things like

3246
02:33:56,300 --> 02:33:53,939
that now it's space tourism do you do

3247
02:33:59,119 --> 02:33:56,310
you think that these are you know viable

3248
02:34:01,219 --> 02:33:59,129
commercial operations with with

3249
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:01,229
Branson's Virgin Airlines tourist

3250
02:34:07,069 --> 02:34:04,770
flights and of course Bigelow Aerospace

3251
02:34:08,659 --> 02:34:07,079
planning on putting a hotel up there do

3252
02:34:09,979 --> 02:34:08,669
you think these are just pipe dreams or

3253
02:34:11,960 --> 02:34:09,989
do you think that these are actually

3254
02:34:14,119 --> 02:34:11,970
there's enough people that are willing

3255
02:34:17,119 --> 02:34:14,129
to spend a quarter of a million dollars

3256
02:34:18,819 --> 02:34:17,129
or however much it's gonna take to to be

3257
02:34:21,800 --> 02:34:18,829
one of those few people that have been

3258
02:34:23,809 --> 02:34:21,810
you know have the resources to go into

3259
02:34:26,090 --> 02:34:23,819
space privately well it's good that

3260
02:34:31,460 --> 02:34:26,100
you're asking this on the day after a

3261
02:34:33,229 --> 02:34:31,470
very significant success by SpaceX who

3262
02:34:36,349 --> 02:34:33,239
successfully launched their Dragon

3263
02:34:39,139 --> 02:34:36,359
capsule just yesterday although yeah

3264
02:34:41,029 --> 02:34:39,149
this is I'm speaking of the day that we

3265
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:41,039
recorded this program rather than the

3266
02:34:46,369 --> 02:34:44,399
day it's it's gonna go on the air but

3267
02:34:50,199 --> 02:34:46,379
that was a big success yesterday and

3268
02:34:54,679 --> 02:34:50,209
good for SpaceX I'm an enthusiast for

3269
02:34:56,929 --> 02:34:54,689
private space ventures I don't think

3270
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:56,939
there's any doubt whatsoever that there

3271
02:35:02,689 --> 02:35:01,439
will be suborbital space tourism in the

3272
02:35:05,179 --> 02:35:02,699
not-too-distant future

3273
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:05,189
I don't know about orbital I don't know

3274
02:35:11,749 --> 02:35:09,930
about hotels that's that's a bit of a

3275
02:35:15,050 --> 02:35:11,759
problem because of the training people

3276
02:35:17,749 --> 02:35:15,060
are gonna need for zero-g yes indeed you

3277
02:35:19,069 --> 02:35:17,759
gotta watch out for that zero-g because

3278
02:35:20,650 --> 02:35:19,079
that can cause all sorts of

3279
02:35:22,930 --> 02:35:20,660
complications

3280
02:35:24,570 --> 02:35:22,940
I wonder what would happen if I live for

3281
02:35:27,430 --> 02:35:24,580
any period of time in a zero

3282
02:35:29,650 --> 02:35:27,440
gravitational environment hmm

3283
02:35:32,620 --> 02:35:29,660
you've got to be careful when you sneeze

3284
02:35:35,051 --> 02:35:32,630
in space I remember I mentioned that I

3285
02:35:38,381 --> 02:35:35,061
did a whole show for the nervous

3286
02:35:40,960 --> 02:35:38,391
theories about life in zero-g so I I

3287
02:35:43,660 --> 02:35:40,970
know about it and what it can do to a

3288
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:43,670
human physiology and that's um it's

3289
02:35:48,160 --> 02:35:45,920
definitely a problem as we have seen

3290
02:35:52,180 --> 02:35:48,170
many times when people have come back to

3291
02:35:55,060 --> 02:35:52,190
a half after substantial time in orbit

3292
02:35:57,520 --> 02:35:55,070
and not being able to walk you know the

3293
02:36:01,480 --> 02:35:57,530
more I hear about this less I want to go

3294
02:36:04,690 --> 02:36:01,490
into space oh wow it's like in the old

3295
02:36:06,551 --> 02:36:04,700
days when you would be months at sea on

3296
02:36:08,801 --> 02:36:06,561
a sailing ship and then you'd be on dry

3297
02:36:10,750 --> 02:36:08,811
land it would almost be like being on

3298
02:36:14,770 --> 02:36:10,760
dry land and trying to get on a ship

3299
02:36:17,740 --> 02:36:14,780
it's uh the human body is kind of geared

3300
02:36:21,310 --> 02:36:17,750
towards predictable gravity and and in

3301
02:36:25,420 --> 02:36:21,320
motion and you're right the muscles

3302
02:36:28,390 --> 02:36:25,430
atrophy the organs kind of settle into a

3303
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:28,400
whole new place because of lack of

3304
02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:31,250
gravity and I'm sure producing that show

3305
02:36:37,060 --> 02:36:35,330
you pointed these things out it's worse

3306
02:36:40,960 --> 02:36:37,070
than that it's not just the muscles but

3307
02:36:43,900 --> 02:36:40,970
the the actual bones you know you lose

3308
02:36:48,910 --> 02:36:43,910
calcium in your bones so your bones get

3309
02:36:51,841 --> 02:36:48,920
brittle why I'm not looking forward to

3310
02:36:54,070 --> 02:36:51,851
that when I get up there into you know

3311
02:36:55,930 --> 02:36:54,080
although you have artificial

3312
02:36:56,820 --> 02:36:55,940
gravitations gotta be like the Starship

3313
02:37:00,040 --> 02:36:56,830
Enterprise

3314
02:37:04,511 --> 02:37:00,050
right we're like in 2001 where they had

3315
02:37:07,841 --> 02:37:04,521
the spinning central core that they

3316
02:37:12,250 --> 02:37:07,851
would do that great shot of of the

3317
02:37:14,190 --> 02:37:12,260
astronaut jogging yes that's I'm not a

3318
02:37:17,350 --> 02:37:14,200
fan of science fiction in general but

3319
02:37:21,490 --> 02:37:17,360
2001 I just love it it's terrific movie

3320
02:37:24,881 --> 02:37:21,500
and by the way I in the course of making

3321
02:37:29,700 --> 02:37:24,891
that that documentary about zero-g I

3322
02:37:34,329 --> 02:37:29,710
used a shot of exactly that in the inner

3323
02:37:37,989 --> 02:37:34,339
Skylab which was a 1960s

3324
02:37:40,989 --> 02:37:37,999
series of missions they had a ring of

3325
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:40,999
storage lockers around the inside of

3326
02:37:46,059 --> 02:37:42,890
that spacecraft and it was big it was it

3327
02:37:49,119 --> 02:37:46,069
was an unused rocket tank and they

3328
02:37:51,010 --> 02:37:49,129
literally did jog around that ring of

3329
02:37:53,170 --> 02:37:51,020
storage lockers just like in the movie

3330
02:37:55,239 --> 02:37:53,180
sounds like something that was just

3331
02:37:56,439 --> 02:37:55,249
spectacular expert tell our listeners

3332
02:38:00,880 --> 02:37:56,449
where they can read more of your

3333
02:38:04,599 --> 02:38:00,890
material my my blog is called the in

3334
02:38:07,329 --> 02:38:04,609
monuments of Mars in monuments really is

3335
02:38:10,630 --> 02:38:07,339
a it is simply a word that means

3336
02:38:12,699 --> 02:38:10,640
payments of course I'm referring to the

3337
02:38:14,170 --> 02:38:12,709
profit that Richard Hogan has made about

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02:38:18,939 --> 02:38:14,180
writing on laws

3339
02:38:26,229 --> 02:38:18,949
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3340
02:38:28,750 --> 02:38:26,239
Commission but the mission dot blog

3341
02:38:31,630 --> 02:38:28,760
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3342
02:38:34,389 --> 02:38:31,640
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02:38:37,059 --> 02:38:34,399
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3344
02:38:39,159 --> 02:38:37,069
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3345
02:38:41,529 --> 02:38:39,169
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02:38:47,139 --> 02:38:45,109
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3348
02:38:55,460 --> 02:38:47,149
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3349
02:39:01,890 --> 02:38:58,980
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3350
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:01,900
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3351
02:39:08,820 --> 02:39:04,890
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